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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 9125568" data-attributes="member: 2629">With a little change of perspective, this problem goes away ... and a lot of us seem to be on the track there in this post.&nbsp; I think it just involves a slight change in perception.When it is time for an ability check scenario, I ask if the players have skills, (tool or other) proficiencies, or background elements that would give them proficiency or expertise on the check.&nbsp; Well, it would be more accurate to say I ask new players this ... experienced players tend to just offer it up when it makes sense to them.&nbsp; In other situations, I check the character sheet on D&amp;DBeyond or ask them questions to determine whether the ability check is normal, proficient or expertise based - as well as advantaged or disadvantaged.&nbsp; And, sometimes, I don't even bother to figure it out in advance of the roll.&nbsp; I just have them roll and then determine if proficiency or expertise would make a difference.&nbsp; If it would, I ask a few followup questions or dig deeper into the character sheet to determine whether there should have been advantage on the roll.This approach is faster and tends to reduce the amount of attempts to repeat rolls.&nbsp; You don't get the 6 Intelligence based ability checks to find out about a situation.&nbsp; You don't get someone trying to perceive and insight the same moment.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 9125568, member: 2629"] With a little change of perspective, this problem goes away ... and a lot of us seem to be on the track there in this post. I think it just involves a slight change in perception. When it is time for an ability check scenario, I ask if the players have skills, (tool or other) proficiencies, or background elements that would give them proficiency or expertise on the check. Well, it would be more accurate to say I ask new players this ... experienced players tend to just offer it up when it makes sense to them. In other situations, I check the character sheet on D&DBeyond or ask them questions to determine whether the ability check is normal, proficient or expertise based - as well as advantaged or disadvantaged. And, sometimes, I don't even bother to figure it out in advance of the roll. I just have them roll and then determine if proficiency or expertise would make a difference. If it would, I ask a few followup questions or dig deeper into the character sheet to determine whether there should have been advantage on the roll. This approach is faster and tends to reduce the amount of attempts to repeat rolls. You don't get the 6 Intelligence based ability checks to find out about a situation. You don't get someone trying to perceive and insight the same moment. [/QUOTE]

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