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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 3959682" data-attributes="member: 710">Honestly, I don't really understand to what the toolbox examples could refer to in the game. I have only third-hand knowledge of AD&D, but I really fail to see how there is a difference in the "toolbox" used between 3rd and 4th edition that would be bigger then between 2nd and 3rd. But, well, it's not really on topic, is it? This is a "meta" discussion on how to conduct a discussion. But maybe it still highlights somethingAvoid general statements. Give concrete examples of what you like, why you like it. Give concrete examples of what you do not like, and why you don't like it. Statements like "It's not D&D anymore", "It's videogamey", "WotC is firing me as a customer!", "It's the best game ever", "it's better balanced", "it will be easier to DM", all these statements don't tell my how the person came to this conclusion. I might not agree with the reasoning that will be given for any such statement, but at least give me a way to understand them. If I don't agree, I will probably present an alternative interpretation, but all these things serve the discussion, because they give people food for thought and material to discuss.</blockquote>