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On the Origins of Classes (1e, OD&D)
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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7625641" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>That should shock no one.</p><p></p><p></p><p> I can see that 'tude with the fighter, it just fights, the fighting hero is an ancient thing. Heck, Gilgamesh, right?</p><p></p><p>But the D&D magic-user is not the same kind of thing, bearing little resemblance to users of magic in myth and legend (who were often divine or supernatural in nature, rather than in learning), nor to the learned /mageia/ of antiquity, nor the classifications of ritual magic into Thaumaturgy and Theurgy. The D&D wizard was often depicted in the regalia of an astrologer, and there were many trapping of Hermeticism (some of which invited accusations of Satanism). </p><p>But, it's well-known that the D&D casters' "Vancian" roots are in that author's works of science-fiction, not myth/legend/fantasy. </p><p></p><p> Don't forget Lieber. The Grey Mouser seems like an archetypal D&D Thief, with his preference for the Sling over the bow, fascination with languages, and dabbling in magic.</p><p></p><p> Kwai Chang Caine of "Kung Fu" premiered in '72, and sure seemed to bring together a lot of that 'gestalt' in ways very similar to the D&D Monk.</p><p></p><p>Amusing, because it's rep - and in 2e & 3e, implementation - sure slid towards that last.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7625641, member: 996"] That should shock no one. I can see that 'tude with the fighter, it just fights, the fighting hero is an ancient thing. Heck, Gilgamesh, right? But the D&D magic-user is not the same kind of thing, bearing little resemblance to users of magic in myth and legend (who were often divine or supernatural in nature, rather than in learning), nor to the learned /mageia/ of antiquity, nor the classifications of ritual magic into Thaumaturgy and Theurgy. The D&D wizard was often depicted in the regalia of an astrologer, and there were many trapping of Hermeticism (some of which invited accusations of Satanism). But, it's well-known that the D&D casters' "Vancian" roots are in that author's works of science-fiction, not myth/legend/fantasy. Don't forget Lieber. The Grey Mouser seems like an archetypal D&D Thief, with his preference for the Sling over the bow, fascination with languages, and dabbling in magic. Kwai Chang Caine of "Kung Fu" premiered in '72, and sure seemed to bring together a lot of that 'gestalt' in ways very similar to the D&D Monk. Amusing, because it's rep - and in 2e & 3e, implementation - sure slid towards that last. [/QUOTE]
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