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<blockquote data-quote="Aservan" data-source="post: 4388403" data-attributes="member: 63340"><p>Combat challenge is a burst. You can hit invisible opponents with it. The gnome can't avoid being the target. He can though move his invisible self to a point where you are not adjacent to him or attacking him and have the effect end.</p><p></p><p>The damage from Divine Challenge is not a burst though. It is a status effect that is placed on a creature. The status effect does the damage. I think of it as akin to the powers that set you one fire or douse you in acid. The area power put the effect on you so it would do extra damage to the swarm (if the attack did damage). The continuing damage though does not trigger the vulnerability. In this case the damage comes from a special effect of the paladin's mark not from the initial burst.</p><p></p><p>In the case of the swarm's aura the aura may trigger many attack rolls but so does fireball. The source of the attack rolls is all the same so, no, divine challenge will not whack-a-doodle a swarm using it's aura power unless you aren't in the aura of course.</p><p></p><p>Maintaining the zone that doesn't attack the paladin is a trickier question to my mind. I don't think the challenge would be triggered though. Again it is the idea that the zone is a conjuration and is now a separate entity from the caster. Its just is a piece of terrain that requires the caster to devote effort to it's maintenance. The caster is no longer attacking. The zone is. You don't provoke divine challenge by using second wind you don't provoke it by concentrating even if concentration causes damage indirectly. That'd be my take on it anyway. Most zones only take a minor action so you would still catch the caster on his standard action anyway.</p><p></p><p>If the power was one of those continuous beam powers (like the starlock level 29 one) then yes you get your divine challenge damage. It's not an independent entity like a zone. It is an attack that once it is on you can't really miss any more. It is still an attack from the warlock to the target, however.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aservan, post: 4388403, member: 63340"] Combat challenge is a burst. You can hit invisible opponents with it. The gnome can't avoid being the target. He can though move his invisible self to a point where you are not adjacent to him or attacking him and have the effect end. The damage from Divine Challenge is not a burst though. It is a status effect that is placed on a creature. The status effect does the damage. I think of it as akin to the powers that set you one fire or douse you in acid. The area power put the effect on you so it would do extra damage to the swarm (if the attack did damage). The continuing damage though does not trigger the vulnerability. In this case the damage comes from a special effect of the paladin's mark not from the initial burst. In the case of the swarm's aura the aura may trigger many attack rolls but so does fireball. The source of the attack rolls is all the same so, no, divine challenge will not whack-a-doodle a swarm using it's aura power unless you aren't in the aura of course. Maintaining the zone that doesn't attack the paladin is a trickier question to my mind. I don't think the challenge would be triggered though. Again it is the idea that the zone is a conjuration and is now a separate entity from the caster. Its just is a piece of terrain that requires the caster to devote effort to it's maintenance. The caster is no longer attacking. The zone is. You don't provoke divine challenge by using second wind you don't provoke it by concentrating even if concentration causes damage indirectly. That'd be my take on it anyway. Most zones only take a minor action so you would still catch the caster on his standard action anyway. If the power was one of those continuous beam powers (like the starlock level 29 one) then yes you get your divine challenge damage. It's not an independent entity like a zone. It is an attack that once it is on you can't really miss any more. It is still an attack from the warlock to the target, however. [/QUOTE]
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