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<blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 8785491" data-attributes="member: 31506"><p>I mean, I won't disagree. It's goofy to try and make a <strong>specific</strong> guy with a bloodline legacy into a class. I'm surprised the 1E ranger didnt an ability to make ghost kill an army. Wizards don't have "be friends with giant eagles" just because Gandalf did it. But the D&D ranger, as it stands, is a survivalist who combines martial ability, skill and magic to be able to operate in hostile territory. THAT is at least something to hang a hat on. Trying to split the hairs of why Katniss isnt a rogue just seems looking for any reason to not call her a rogue and arguing backwards.</p><p></p><p>Like what does Katniss do that can't be done by a rogue? All she is is an archer with nature expertise and a craft traps feature!</p><p></p><p>You've described a rogue with some decent rules for crafting traps. She doesn't go for a straight up fight so completely does deal sneak attacks. Rogue doesnt mean Thief. She uses traps (bolstered by dealing sneak attack damage) and snipes with a bow. Rogue seems perfect even without a Scout subclass. If I showed up to a game as a Rogue with expertise in survival and stealth, and training in nature/herbalism kit, I'd be pretty ticked if I couldn't emulate every single thing she does (at least in the movies, never read the books). Requiring a class feature to make a deadfall, recognize and take advantage of super wasps, or lead someone into bad terrain is just taking away those options from other characters who have the skill. Expending writeups on skill usage to be equal to page count on spells would be much better than trying to have "The Katniss" class do all the heavy lifting (and walling off those abilities in the process).</p><p></p><p>She is, also very importantly, not in a magical fantasy world! So of course she doesn't use magic because that's not an option. For that matter, should bards not cast spells or magical abilities because I want to play Ruby Rhodd?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jefe Bergenstein, post: 8785491, member: 31506"] I mean, I won't disagree. It's goofy to try and make a [B]specific[/B] guy with a bloodline legacy into a class. I'm surprised the 1E ranger didnt an ability to make ghost kill an army. Wizards don't have "be friends with giant eagles" just because Gandalf did it. But the D&D ranger, as it stands, is a survivalist who combines martial ability, skill and magic to be able to operate in hostile territory. THAT is at least something to hang a hat on. Trying to split the hairs of why Katniss isnt a rogue just seems looking for any reason to not call her a rogue and arguing backwards. Like what does Katniss do that can't be done by a rogue? All she is is an archer with nature expertise and a craft traps feature! You've described a rogue with some decent rules for crafting traps. She doesn't go for a straight up fight so completely does deal sneak attacks. Rogue doesnt mean Thief. She uses traps (bolstered by dealing sneak attack damage) and snipes with a bow. Rogue seems perfect even without a Scout subclass. If I showed up to a game as a Rogue with expertise in survival and stealth, and training in nature/herbalism kit, I'd be pretty ticked if I couldn't emulate every single thing she does (at least in the movies, never read the books). Requiring a class feature to make a deadfall, recognize and take advantage of super wasps, or lead someone into bad terrain is just taking away those options from other characters who have the skill. Expending writeups on skill usage to be equal to page count on spells would be much better than trying to have "The Katniss" class do all the heavy lifting (and walling off those abilities in the process). She is, also very importantly, not in a magical fantasy world! So of course she doesn't use magic because that's not an option. For that matter, should bards not cast spells or magical abilities because I want to play Ruby Rhodd? [/QUOTE]
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