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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8786411" data-attributes="member: 87792">And this is the problem. The definition that WotC has given us is messed up. In 1e and 2e rangers didn't get any spells before 8th level. In 3.0 and 3.5 Katniss (who is not known for insight)  would have no spells before sixth level and wouldn't reach the heady heights of two spells a day until tenth level. Given the nature of many ranger spells and that she wasn't that high level this wouldn't break Katniss as a character at all.So in 1e Katniss works as a ranger. In 2e Katniss works as a ranger. In 3.0 ... we don't talk about the 3.0 Ranger. In 3.5 Katniss works as a ranger. And in 4e Katniss works as a ranger.I agree that Katniss does not work as a 5e ranger. And neither does Aragorn. And neither does Drizzt. This is because WotC broke the archetype. The 5e ranger is therefore not fit for purpose.And if the 5e ranger is not fit for purpose now is the time to fix it.This is because WotC decided to flush the characteristics of a ranger down the toilet and give us a hedge mage using the name ranger. If the class doesn't cover Aragorn and Drizzt it is because the class is doing it wrong.And no the issue isn't "it becomes too hard to pack a lot of flavour in". It's that the ranger absolutely reeks of the flavour of "spellcaster" and that basic odour drowns out everything else. Before 5e there was just a splash of spellcaster in the ranger - but the One D&D smells more of spellcaster than the 2e and 3.5 bards did. They literally drowned the class in sauce - but a sauce that's shared with over half of all other classes.A lack of flavour isn't the problem. An overwhelming amount of the wrong flavour is.(For that matter the only reason the paladin didn't also get drowned in eau de caster is that it's rare that a paladin uses their first or second level slots to cast spells when low level divine smites are so good)</blockquote>

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