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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 8789601" data-attributes="member: 7635">I think we get hung up on what terms like magical or mundane mean. this is my view. Mundane means things people can do in the real world. Magical is anything that can't. Extraordinary is the upper limit of mundane. Supernatural is a synonym for magical (as far as D&D is concerned). Spellcasting is magic, but so is ki and psionics. A rogue or a battlemaster (under the current rules) can do things that are extraordinary. A monk borders between extraordinary and magical. A barbarian's rage is likewise on the border. Batman is extraordinary, Superman is "magical". I have no problem with a class having extraordinary abilities that border on magic. I have no problem with classes like the ranger using magic in mundane ways. I have a problem when magical abilities are touted as extraordinary mundane abilities as a way of avoiding limitations on spellcasting. Charles Atlas is extraordinarily strong, but he's not Superman strong. If he wants to be Superman strong, he needs some access to magic. Doesn't need to be spells, but it still needs to be magical to explain why it can't be done.I got no problems with martial characters doing cool things as long as we're honest and calling those reality-breaking abilities "magic". And while I would love every class to be like the warlock or monk and have their own unique magic system, WotC is doubling down on spells as the go-to way of doing supernatural or magical abilities.</blockquote>

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