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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8857873" data-attributes="member: 58172">I havent watched the video, but a few quick thoughts:Archeologists can and do disagree with each other.As far as I know, most archeologists who are familiar with Turkish archeology accept that Goebekli Tepe is around 12,000 years old. (Or rather around 11,500 years old.)No. The "standard narrative" remains the same.The standard narrative is the Neolithic Revolution, namely the discovery of farming, sometimes referred to as "herding-and-gardening", is happening around this time, somewhere in this wider region.The controversy is about what Goebekli Tepe is, exactly.Currently, there is a vigorous debate about whether the nomadic hunter-gatherers settled down in permanent homes because they had started farming. Or, the other way around, they started farming because they had settled down. This Tepe is an important feature of the debate.Originally, the archeologists identified Goebekli Tepe as some kind of shrine, and that none of the nomads actually lived there, but just visited there to participate in the sacred site. But recent findings suggest there might have been people living there permanently.So the debate continues.</blockquote>