Only the Lonely: Why We Demand Official Product

[WayOfTheFourElements]

There are RPG designers doing this. My personal recommendations would be Burning Wheel and anything by Vincent Baker or Greg Stafford

But WotC is a subsidiary of a public company. The market is where it's at.

So WotC is made of cowardly sell-outs?

 

[WayOfTheFourElements]

So WotC is made of cowardly sell-outs?

 

[3catcircus]

Or why those new authors and editors would even be interested in trying to fix it.

Ideally there would be an author(s) who is heavily invested in the setting who would be given the opportunity to develop the 5e version of the setting.

It was completely obvious that the 3e LGG was a labor of love, even though they had to go with a post-Greyhawk Wars timeline.

The difficulty is that can't go to Gygax like FR folks can go to Greenwood for advice on informing how to add/fix/expand the existing lore.

 

[Acolyte of Zothique]

I think the only older setting that has the potential to rival this would be Planescape. The others were popular, but not as popular.

Add Dark Sun to the very popular list, maybe Ravenloft (the setting not just Barovia).

 

[Acolyte of Zothique]

But all the magic items and artifacts that go back to 1e ARE Greyhawk specific magic items. What fluff exists in GH that isn't just in the PHB by default?

One example would be the Scarlet Brotherhood who are essentially fantasy Nazis. THAT is not in the PHB. I also recall the Aztec/Olmec flavoured nation in the jungle terrain to the south; that doesn't get covered. How about the crashed spaceship in the Barrier Peaks? The DMG covers futuristic weapons but where are my homicidal physical exercise Androids?

 

[Fenris-77]

Ideally there would be an author(s) who is heavily invested in the setting who would be given the opportunity to develop the 5e version of the setting.

It was completely obvious that the 3e LGG was a labor of love, even though they had to go with a post-Greyhawk Wars timeline.

The difficulty is that can't go to Gygax like FR folks can go to Greenwood for advice on informing how to add/fix/expand the existing lore.

I would hope that any potential GH author is that guy for sure. My point was more that writing GH for 5e and providing a new setting that appeals to both old and new fans of the game might not have as it's focus the rationalization of disparities in previous lore. I'm pretty sure they'd do their best to make GH veterans happy though, as much as possible anyway given the range of veteran opinions out there.

 

[Fenris-77]

So WotC is made of cowardly sell-outs?

No offense, but this seem far more like an opinion than a fact, one based in some way on a personal aesthetic. Which is fine, we all appreciate the game in different ways, but I don't know how useful it is to try and reframe the narrative from sensible business to cowardice. You do you though.

 

[Maxperson]

But GH has never had "support" remotely on the level of FR. I don't think that's about to change.

Not in quantity, but in quality. 2e had a number of Greyhawk supplements.

As far as sub-classes et al are concerned, as I said upthread I don't think they will be distinctly Greyhawk. Any more than the Purple Dragon Knight is distinctly FR. (I mean, the name is, but its abilities aren't.)

Nothing in D&D is distinctly anything, then. You can have defiler and preserver abilities in any setting you feel like.

 

[Maxperson]

Add Dark Sun to the very popular list, maybe Ravenloft (the setting not just Barovia).

They were popular, but in my experience, not as popular as Planescape.

 

[Fenris-77]

How about the crashed spaceship in the Barrier Peaks? The DMG covers futuristic weapons but where are my homicidal physical exercise Androids?

Well, WotC did rewrite that for 5e, it's called The Lost Laboratory of Kwalish. No homicidal exercise androids i'm afraid, but it is still a crashed 'planar craft'.