Only the Lonely: Why We Demand Official Product

[generic]

I did, perhaps you missed in the post you quoted where I say, "...which many will find to be unpalatable" and " I hated it and said no."

Clearly I was talking about subjective and not objective.

I know that... that's why... oh, sorry. Yeah, I did indeed miss that. That's the trouble with having fifteen different tabs open, all of them being read within seconds of each other. I apologize for taking your argument out of context.

 

[jasper]

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There are three choices I can see that result from Dragonborn entering the setting. 1) you retcon that they were around the entire time, but SOMEHOW no player or DM knew it while they were adventuring and creating adventures in Greyhawk. Not a good solution.
2) you just ignore that they popped in and don't bother to explain it. Probably the best of the bad solutions.
3) You have a world altering event, like they were imprisoned magically as a race for 10 bazillion years and just got released, came from another world en masse, or some other way, which is the most setting destructive method.

I am tempted to do 3.
THIS IS THE THIRD AGE... 10,000 years Star City arose from the grounds of a great adventuring group. (my 1E) 1,000 years ago the Second Age began (3E). It is now 10,030. 30 years the change came. People awoken changed. Some became what is call Dragonborn. Other Teeth Lings. Others were change to what ever is the flavor of the week. (AKA what ever Maxperson can whine about until Jasper gives in.)
I have another DM who loudly states I am an evil bad wrongfun DM because if I would homebrew I would limit races and books. I just reply If I was homebrewing I wouldn't let him sit at my table.

 

[Maxperson]

I know that... that's why... oh, sorry. Yeah, I did indeed miss that. That's the trouble with having fifteen different tabs open, all of them being read within seconds of each other. I apologize for taking your argument out of context.

No worries! I think we've all confused people and arguments here.

 

[Maxperson]

I am tempted to do 3.
THIS IS THE THIRD AGE... 10,000 years Star City arose from the grounds of a great adventuring group. (my 1E) 1,000 years ago the Second Age began (3E). It is now 10,030. 30 years the change came. People awoken changed. Some became what is call Dragonborn. Other Teeth Lings. Others were change to what ever is the flavor of the week. (AKA what ever Maxperson can whine about until Jasper gives in.)
I have another DM who loudly states I am an evil bad wrongfun DM because if I would homebrew I would limit races and books. I just reply If I was homebrewing I wouldn't let him sit at my table.

If you like it, go for it.

Calling me a whiner is not only an inappropriate response to my posts, but it's also against the forum rules. Don't do it again.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

The addition of a new race, regardless of the method, is world/setting altering.

Nope. Planar travellers visit Toril all the time, so having another one in no way alters the setting.

The Dragonborn are a race that is both populous

They never had to be populous (and aren't in my FR). Player Character exceptionalism means you can still play one even if you are the only one on the planet.

If they had been running around loose in the world the entire time, they would have been known about and been present in Greyhawk and other cities/countries for entire 40 years it has been a published setting.

Not if they where confined to some obscure part of the setting. New species are constantly being discovered, and the World of Greyhawk has only ever mapped one out of many continents.

 

[jasper]

If you like it, go for it.

Calling me a whiner is not only an inappropriate response to my posts, but it's also against the forum rules. Don't do it again.

Sorry. I thought you get the joke of x person whining until the gm and other players give in.

 

[Maxperson]

Nope. Planar travellers visit Toril all the time, so having another one in no way alters the setting.

Correct. Having ONE is in now way setting altering. Having an entire race IS setting altering.

They never had to be populous (and aren't in my FR). Player Character exceptionalism means you can still play one even if you are the only one on the planet.

Then that's your home brew. Just like I home brew Warforged in my game to be unique PCs and not a race. As the game introduces Dragonborn, though, they are a populous race.

Not if they where confined to some obscure part of the setting. New species are constantly being discovered, and the World of Greyhawk has only ever mapped one out of many continents.

Transportation magic and normal transportation is a thing for a race capable of generating level 20+ PCs and NPCs. It defies reason to think that none would have been seen for thousands of years and then suddenly they are all over the place.

 

[Maxperson]

Sorry. I thought you get the joke of x person whining until the gm and other players give in.

Thanks. I'm also a bit tired. I was out gaming until 1am and then up at 5am, so my subtlety meter is lower than it's usual low.

 

[jasper]

Thanks. I'm also a bit tired. I was out gaming until 1am and then up at 5am, so my subtlety meter is lower than it's usual low.

And now you bragging. Harump. I about to leave and pick up other con goers in 27 minutes.

 

[Maxperson]

And now you bragging. Harump. I about to leave and pick up other con goers in 27 minutes.

Nice. What con? My next con doesn't arrive until next month.