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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 9031883" data-attributes="member: 20323"><p>Tl;dr Maybe what you want is a homebrewed <em>Shape Snow </em>cantrip?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Using layman's parlance, not scientific parlance, I was saying that if the snow was <em>flowing </em>(i.e. moving) then it could be shaped. So snow in a field? No, you're not able to use the cantrip like <em>mold earth </em>to dig yourself a snow shelter. That seems contrary to its design intent & expanding it to function like another cantrip also. BUT snow moving in a snow-drift that you triggered or during an avalanche? Yes, you could use <em>shape water </em>to steer some of that moving snow. That seems more in line with the cantrip's intent to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Same same.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. For example, you could use <em>shape water </em>while trying to find an ally buried in the snow to "see through" a section of snow 5 feet deep to better find them. Or you could turn a 5 foot section of ice red like it had been stained by blood.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Within the caveats already in <em>shape water, </em>yes. So if there's a creature in that snow? No.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree, that would be outside the cantrips purview.</p><p></p><p>One of my house rules is "creative upcasting", and if you wanted to upcast this cantrip using a low level spell slot, I think that's a reasonable and creative use for it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Those were what I was trying to avoid. The design of <em>shape water</em> is not meant to replicate <em>mold earth. </em></p><p></p><p>That said, if this is part of the cantrip you really want to explore... we could homebrew a cantrip. I'm noticing <em>mold earth </em>is also one of those "multiple bulletpoint effect" spells. I can imagine making a <em>shape snow </em>cantrip for your PC that tweaks the language a bit & swaps some bulletpoints and gets closer to what I think you're after.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think this would be similar to the de-densifying / deicing question you raised earlier. My answer would be the same: "No, but..." you could upcast it with a 1st level spell slot to get that effect.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Yes, but..." the intent wouldn't be to replicate 2nd-level <em>pass without trace </em>and not even have to concentrate. That would be broken.</p><p></p><p>What might work is something like "If you travel at 1/4 pace, stopping to use an action every 5 feet to obscure your tracks and tracks of up to 4 companions, you can increase the DC to track you and those 4 companions by 5." That seems more in line with the power of a cantrip, and reflects that this isn't flawlessly obscuring tracks like the 2nd level <em>pass without trace. </em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 9031883, member: 20323"] Tl;dr Maybe what you want is a homebrewed [I]Shape Snow [/I]cantrip? Using layman's parlance, not scientific parlance, I was saying that if the snow was [I]flowing [/I](i.e. moving) then it could be shaped. So snow in a field? No, you're not able to use the cantrip like [I]mold earth [/I]to dig yourself a snow shelter. That seems contrary to its design intent & expanding it to function like another cantrip also. BUT snow moving in a snow-drift that you triggered or during an avalanche? Yes, you could use [I]shape water [/I]to steer some of that moving snow. That seems more in line with the cantrip's intent to me. Yes. Same same. Yes. For example, you could use [I]shape water [/I]while trying to find an ally buried in the snow to "see through" a section of snow 5 feet deep to better find them. Or you could turn a 5 foot section of ice red like it had been stained by blood. Within the caveats already in [I]shape water, [/I]yes. So if there's a creature in that snow? No. I agree, that would be outside the cantrips purview. One of my house rules is "creative upcasting", and if you wanted to upcast this cantrip using a low level spell slot, I think that's a reasonable and creative use for it. Those were what I was trying to avoid. The design of [I]shape water[/I] is not meant to replicate [I]mold earth. [/I] That said, if this is part of the cantrip you really want to explore... we could homebrew a cantrip. I'm noticing [I]mold earth [/I]is also one of those "multiple bulletpoint effect" spells. I can imagine making a [I]shape snow [/I]cantrip for your PC that tweaks the language a bit & swaps some bulletpoints and gets closer to what I think you're after. I think this would be similar to the de-densifying / deicing question you raised earlier. My answer would be the same: "No, but..." you could upcast it with a 1st level spell slot to get that effect. "Yes, but..." the intent wouldn't be to replicate 2nd-level [I]pass without trace [/I]and not even have to concentrate. That would be broken. What might work is something like "If you travel at 1/4 pace, stopping to use an action every 5 feet to obscure your tracks and tracks of up to 4 companions, you can increase the DC to track you and those 4 companions by 5." That seems more in line with the power of a cantrip, and reflects that this isn't flawlessly obscuring tracks like the 2nd level [I]pass without trace. [/I] [/QUOTE]
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