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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aethmud" data-source="post: 9143693" data-attributes="member: 6746292">I'd prefer something like option 1.  Two separate rolls is unnecessary, and combining them into one roll makes more sense to capture a spectrum of effects that are just variations on one attempted action.  Two rolls would be more orthodox though.  Some other die instead of d20 seems appropriate for this, and d12 might be best for a 5e campaign.  I'm probably old fashioned in preferring a d100 roll for a miscast results table.  (BTW, if you want some old-school random insanity, check out this <a href="https://mojobob.com/roleplay/campaign/10kFX/index.html" target="_blank">d10000 table of magical mishaps</a>!)Maybe a better progression of effects could be something like the following order: [ Spectacular Fail > Fail + Complication > Fizzle > Success + Complication > Normal Success > Success + Benefit > Critical Hit]?  Which would make the fizzle results fall somewhere in the middle.  In any case, the revised table should account for all numbers from 1 to 20, and some results could apply for more than one number (e.g., 8–10: Spell fizzles.  Your actions used to cast the spell this turn are wasted, but you regain the use of any spell slots or other actions that would otherwise have been lost.)I'm 100% in favor of a roll-to-cast failure resulting in a spell fizzle mean that spells slots are not expended.  Otherwise it's just adding even more swing to an already super swingy class.  It does feel punitive to have to flip a coin just to do a basic action for a character, especially when D&D spells are already designed such that success is often limited or eliminated anyway due to a subsequent save.Further complication, though, what if the spell is also overcasted?  Losing a turn is already bad.  Losing well over half of Jack's expendable actions on a fizzled overcasted spell is sad.  It's a little unclear to me whether the homebrew rules you've written means that any failure of an overcast spell = fizzle, or are there also overcast fail + complication and success + complication results?I can roll with whatever your rulings are, no worries.  Like Jack, I know that pushing one's luck is no guarantee of success.I'd also suggest that refraction on oneself or on a party member is the absolute worst outcome, and not casting a random spell (which is currently the bottom result).  If you're open to suggestions on how to revise or reorder the miscast table I'd be happy to share more detailed thoughts.And regarding option 2, I swear I didn't even have the "Refraction!" miscast effect in mind when I wrote the fluff about Jack inhaling his own spell.  Let me know whether you'd like to have me edit that last in-character post to make it more clearly a refraction miscast, or should we just consider it a fizzle?  If it fizzles, I'd just leave my post as is and you can write about how the yeti just yawns it off.</blockquote>

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