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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5754832" data-attributes="member: 7006">We're basically at a written impasse between Grump, JC and Pilgrim here... where Pilgrim has made a declarative absolute statement that by itself isn't true, but it is when the implied "for my game" is added to it.Pilgrim's statement is written in such a way that taken as-is... gramatically applies to every game, and every DM, and every player.  Which is what Grump has been saying, and which is able to proven absolutely false because it isn't true in his own game.Pilgrim, however, is coming at it from the direction that because the DM is 'running' the game, that everything happens because the DM allows it to happen.  So even if a PC makes a choice or decision... as soon as the DM allows that choice or decision to go through, it's now no longer the PC's choice, but now BECOMES the DM's decision (since he is the one running the game.)  And this is why Pilgrim's statement could be considered universally true in his opinion... because he applies this method of thinking about player and DM choice in this specific way.  When a DM runs a game, every choice is his choice, even if its just agreeing with what a player puts forth.So long as Grump or someone else doesn't jive with that semantical argument (and we could probably go on for a long time over it), there will never be agreement.</blockquote>