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Umbran

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Assuming this this wasn't their plan all along, I mean scraping people's art for profit would automatically be infringement.

Well, as academic research, copying stuff off the internet for training is arguably Fair Use. And that held up so long as they were making their patents and research available to the public.

And, that start was back in 2015, before anyone could reasonably say the research would bear fruit. GPT-3 came out five years later, and that's when folks started really talking about it having economic value.

Five years is a long time in business terms. "The plan all along," based on something as sketchy as the performance of generative AI years down the road? Eh. Less "plan" and maybe more "hopeful notion"?
 


dragoner

KosmicRPG.com
Well, as academic research, copying stuff off the internet for training is arguably Fair Use. And that held up so long as they were making their patents and research available to the public.

And, that start was back in 2015, before anyone could reasonably say the research would bear fruit. GPT-3 came out five years later, and that's when folks started really talking about it having economic value.

Five years is a long time in business terms. "The plan all along," based on something as sketchy as the performance of generative AI years down the road? Eh. Less "plan" and maybe more "hopeful notion"?
If this were a tobacco company would we feel this way?

How far the plan goes back, and all businesses have plans, ultimately it is for the forensic accountants to figure out. I think it bears investigating, it is a deceptive business practice, I can't believe they just suddenly decided to be for profit. Even if they had said a few years back that this would be for profit, it would have had some impact on the current discussion.
 

Snarf Zagyg

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If this were a tobacco company would we feel this way?

How far the plan goes back, and all businesses have plans, ultimately it is for the forensic accountants to figure out. I think it bears investigating, it is a deceptive business practice, I can't believe they just suddenly decided to be for profit. Even if they had said a few years back that this would be for profit, it would have had some impact on the current discussion.

I feel like we have finally hit the ultimate example for this!

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Umbran

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If this were a tobacco company would we feel this way?

I don't think tobacco and generative AI are sufficiently similar to make that comparison useful.

Generative AI, in general, can be a perfectly reasonable tool if the training set is ethically produced. Back in the day, I personally did graduate research on using it to simulate high energy particle collisions for tuning detectors in particle accelerators* - the data to train it being publicly available data from previous accelerators.

Tobacco, not exactly a valid tool for anything other than addicting people and taking their money.




*My conclusions were: 1)Training AIs had nothing to do with the physics, so why should this be a physics thesis? 2) Computer power at the time was not up to snuff to make this an economical way to produce training data anyway.
 

dragoner

KosmicRPG.com
I don't think tobacco and generative AI are sufficiently similar to make that comparison useful.

Generative AI, in general, can be a perfectly reasonable tool if the training set is ethically produced. Back in the day, I personally did graduate research on using it to simulate high energy particle collisions for tuning detectors in particle accelerators - the data to train it being publicly available data from previous accelerators.

Tobacco, not exactly a valid tool for anything other than addicting people and taking their money.
Tobacco companies also make food. Though kudos to your spirit, don't let me disparage your faith in humanity.
 

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