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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Admiral Caine" data-source="post: 4240585" data-attributes="member: 60438">I think you'll enjoy it. I've hyped the "classroom / laboratory" aspect of Open Design quite a bit, and it is entirely valid...  But not every Patron is in it for that experience.There are many who just like the collaborative nature of the design process, and the opportunity to shoot the breeze about the project and bounce ideas around.  And there are some who are very quiet and don't say a whole lot but watch the process. It is neat to just watch it grow, because every few days you have something to look at and talk about.Some just like that they're not buying a product "as is." I'm not about to knock KotS, but that is the position a lot of people find themselves in. They buy a product and they get it "as is." With O.D. you can, to some extent, send it back to the kitchen and have it cooked a little more.As far as 'ransom' I think you'll see that you'll get a fair return on your investment in both terms of money and time. Thanks for your support!Through these posts I've been playing the role of the salesman, let me take that hat off for a moment.Open Design, like many part of the DnD community, is seeing it's share of Edition schism. I'm a Patron who is supporting both 3.5 and 4E. There are a handful of us doing that. A majority of the established regular Patrons don't wish to convert to 4E. They're pretty adamant that they "WILL NOT put a penny" in a 4E project. There are some party politics at work, I can't deny.And that is entirely their right. They need to vote with their wallets, and I respect them. Their reasons are varied and are their own.But one reason for the active recruitment is that Wolfgang needs Pro-4E Patrons in order to do 4E Projects. Simple as that. There aren't enough Patrons willing to do both to make the minimum required for a commissioning.By helping recruit for this Project, I'm not just trying to be a fanboi for W.B. I'm interested in diversity in the type of adventures produced for 4E. I'm a Paizo SuperScriber, so I have much love for them and I show it with my money. Nevertheless, that diversity in adventure support is not going to come from Pazio... and I don't want to leave it to just Necromancer and other companies. The way I look at it, quality 3rd Party support helps set a standard for all companies to aspire to...For example: many folks look to Paizo to set the standard of excellence for 3.5 adventure support. Who will do that 4E? And why can't it be Wolfgang?And this is not to say that WOTC won't be a leader in producing quality material. However  when the best writers have an opportunity to work on 4E, the whole market will improve. I believe Chris Perkins said something very much to that effect when he said he wanted to encourage 3rd party support at DDXP.Incidentally, I'd like to express my appreciation for the moderators for letting this thread continue in the General. They could have booted it a while ago I suppose. This is the first time I've actually stated 'we need a new crop of Patrons' to help the first Open Design 4E project become a reality. Hopefully if there is enough support for one, there will be enough support for another.Anyway, I've rambled enough in this post, but at least I said something more than a sales pitch.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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