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D&D 4E Open Design / Wolfgang Baur to do a 4E Open Design Adventure

Admiral Caine

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Wolfgang Baur of Open Design is tentatively planning to support 4th
Edition with a 4E Adventure entitled "Wrath of the River King."

Open Design projects are commissioned. For those unfamiliar with how
it works, a donation is made through Paypal in order to become a
'Patron.' Once the required commission amount is met, Wolfgang starts
to work on the project. Patrons are taken inside the process as
Wolfgang writes the adventure and solicits input and comments from
Patrons while he does it. Patrons can literally influence the finished
product with their feedback. They can also preview maps and art
materials.

"Wrath of the River King" depends on being funded, and for the GSL to
permit publication (which at this time looks quite optimistic). If for
any reason that it can't be produced, a full refund of the donation
will be given. The current understanding is that the finished
adventure will not be published till October. You can donate any size
amount you want. The current minimum donation is $30.00 for full
access to the discussions and a PDF of the final product. Patrons with
a donation of $100 or more will also gain access to a play test game
Wolfgang will run at GenCon plus a print copy of the adventure, signed
by him.

This is a great way to learn about how 4E changes adventure design
along side a professional who will be learning the system himself.

For more information on how it works, and discussion on the project
please see the Kobold Quarterly forum here :
http://www.koboldquarterly.com/kqforums/viewtopic.php?t=137

Or Open Design's LiveJournal for more information:
http://open-design.livejournal.com/
 

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Admiral Caine

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Just to add

My understanding is that this would be parallel to his 3.5 Projects. That is, Wrath of the River King would not be set in Zobeck, and would be independent of his 3.5 work (as required by the GSL, and subject to Wolfgang actually reviewing the GSL).
 


Admiral Caine

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Jack99 said:
$100 is a lot for a simple adventure, but I guess the process itself could be worth it.

/consider


Actually that would be $30.00 for the process and the adventure (it would be in PDF format).

A $100.00 gets you all that.. plus an autographed print copy, and a seat at Wolfgang's table at Gencon..

There's no shame in going the $30.00 route, that is what I'm doing.

And actually, I think he's taking donations at any level. I'm not sure what a lower amount gets you (hence I didn't elaborate too much), but to be involved in the discussions you need to donate at least $30.00.

Hey! That's a great question ask him! That is, what do you get for a donation less than $30.00, I encourage you to head over and ask him. :D
 

Caliber

Explorer
Make sure to post the answer back here, in case some people are both interested and lazy.

Not that I know anyone like that ... ;)
 


Admiral Caine

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Caliber said:
Make sure to post the answer back here, in case some people are both interested and lazy.

Not that I know anyone like that ... ;)

Your wish is my command!

Per Wolfgang, any donation less than $30.00 will get you the complete adventure, in PDF format. You will not, however get the discussion, or his design essays, those come with the $30 minimum.

Design Essays? I forgot to mention those. With every Open Design Project Wolfgang writes a set number of design essays regarding Adventure Design. As in how to do design adventures! Tips from a pro!

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On a side note, it's a little tricky to describe the process, but over the couple of months you get the opportunity to see how a professionally published adventure is designed, from start to finish. As parts of it get done, you can ask him about it and receive answers. You can make suggestions, bounce ideas, and you talk with all the other patrons. Patrons do have influence over the final product. The art and maps are of professional quality. Sometimes there are polls. It's pretty fun.. and for $30.00 you're still getting a full length adventure at the end of it. It is a PDF, but you're paying for more than just the adventure, and you really get what you put into the process with your own participation.

And this time, Wolfgang doesn't know the system any better than you do, so this one's going to be particularly interesting.. because an industry veteran has to take the hood off of the system and learn it alongside of you.

All I can say, if you have $30.00 to spend on an adventure, take a safe gamble and give Open Design a try. His second Open Design Project, Castle Shadowcrag, was an Ennie Winner...
 

Jack99

Adventurer
Admiral Caine said:
Actually that would be $30.00 for the process and the adventure (it would be in PDF format).

A $100.00 gets you all that.. plus an autographed print copy, and a seat at Wolfgang's table at Gencon..

Yeah. I do realize that $30 would get me the PDF. But I must admit that I am not a big fan of PDF, I prefer my gaming material on paper! And yet I am looking forward to the DDI.. I guess I am a man of contradictions.
 

Admiral Caine

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Jack99 said:
Yeah. I do realize that $30 would get me the PDF. But I must admit that I am not a big fan of PDF, I prefer my gaming material on paper! And yet I am looking forward to the DDI.. I guess I am a man of contradictions.

Wolfgang usually does have a deal set up with Lulu for those that want to order a reasonably priced paper copy to go along with it..

And you get your name in the book as a Patron.. :D

Sorry, I'm a shill today...
 

Jack99

Adventurer
Admiral Caine said:
Wolfgang usually does have a deal set up with Lulu for those that want to order a reasonably priced paper copy to go along with it..

And you get your name in the book as a Patron.. :D

Sorry, I'm a shill today...

Ah, so I could (possibly) pay $30 dollars in support and become a patron, and then buy a non-signed copy for another $20-$30 (guesstimate)? That does sound a tad more interesting.
 

Admiral Caine

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Jack99 said:
Ah, so I could (possibly) pay $30 dollars in support and become a patron, and then buy a non-signed copy for another $20-$30 (guesstimate)? That does sound a tad more interesting.

Yes... I would have to check with him first, I'm only a volunteer shill, but that is what he has done in the past. I've never ordered a print copy myself, but as I recall he can usually get a good deal from Lulu.

In fact... I will check on that now.
 

invokethehojo

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So if I don't want to go to the gencon table but I want the print copy can't I just donate #30, then buy the print edition when it's published for the price tag (which I'm sure will be less than $70) and save the difference?

Also, before I buy into something like this I would like to see some of his other adventures (I'm kinda picky) to see if I like his style. Can anyone tell me what else he's written or where I might them?
 
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Admiral Caine

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invokethehojo said:
So if I don't want to go to the gencon table but I want the print copy can't I just donate #30, then buy the print edition when it's published for the price tag (which I'm sure will be less than $70) and save the difference?

Also, before I buy into something like this I would like to see some of his other adventures (I'm kinda picky) to see if I like his style. Can anyone tell me what else he's written or where I might them?

Well, he is the former Editor of Dragon Magazine. :D I think that gives him a little bit of street cred right there. However, don't take that as a put down, once upon a time I had never heard of him either! It's never too late to get to know him.

But here is a link to his list of previous publications...

http://wolfgangbaur.com/about/bookshelf.aspx
 

Erekose13

Explorer
As Caine mentioned past patrons of the Open Design projects can purchase a print version through Lulu for the base price it costs Wolfgang to put it up there (he doesn't mark it up).

I've been a patron of Open Design since the end of OD2 (Shadowcrag) and highly recommend it as an invaluable introspective into the industry. The patron discussion and design essays are very valuable in understanding the process of a veteran game designer. Patrons in the past have also had the ability to suggest things, including sometimes NPCs, encounters, or monsters for consideration, as well as the ability to participate in Playtesting. Patrons for past projects have also had the ability to suggest future projects as well.
 



Rechan

Adventurer
I wonder how much influence a patron has on the process. Sure, just writing comments like "I dislike this" "This could run smoother" "The map is a little small here, maybe the room can be bigger" is one thing. But giving suggestions about the plot, NPCs, monsters, etc is more valuable to me than just refinement and constructive criticism.
 

Monkey King

Explorer
Rechan said:
I wonder how much influence a patron has on the process. Sure, just writing comments like "I dislike this" "This could run smoother" "The map is a little small here, maybe the room can be bigger" is one thing. But giving suggestions about the plot, NPCs, monsters, etc is more valuable to me than just refinement and constructive criticism.

Patrons have a TON of influence, especially in the early stages of the outline and early drafts. Lots of plot suggestions, monster ideas, and location/encounter wishes have become part of earlier Open Designs.

I've been really pleased with the thoughtful critique and the smart, smart choices that patrons have put forward. The polls and Q&A often generate fixes over the course of a conversation, or at least a stronger description of why the design might do A rather than B.
 

Rechan

Adventurer
Ah, the official project gets underway. I might go after this, especially since it gives you access to previous projects.
 

Monkey King

Explorer
The project wrapping up right now, Blood of the Gorgon, is quite a winner. I think Eberron fans in particular will get a kick out of the plotting and mayhem.

"The Red Maiden awaits all heroes, her blood is the blood of victory."
 

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