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<blockquote data-quote="Vengrath" data-source="post: 8247093" data-attributes="member: 7030435"><p>Hello! I'm about to start my first campaign using PF 2nd edition ruleset. My DM most often than not wants us to optimize our builds, because he likes to throw more challenging encounters than the book suggests (we are pushed to our limits in our current campaign, and i started the campaign as 19DEX 20 INT Bladesinger)</p><p>I have decided to go for a <strong>Cleric</strong> with <strong>Warpriest</strong> doctrine, but with some additional capabilities (we play with a free archetype rules). Basically the idea is to smite everything, everywhere, everytime. Cleric gives me a lot of high-level Harm casts that i can use to Channel Smite, and bard gives me access to <strong>Counter Perform</strong> and <strong>Occult Spell List</strong>. With Warpriest i have training in medium armor, and later on i grab heavy armor with Champion Dedication, that also grants me access to powerful <strong>Champion's Reaction</strong>. I believe it would be a strong character, but then again, i have not yet played in Pathfinder 2edition ruleset, so I'm not sure, and so i ask you to point out any and all weaknesses of this build, suggest improvements, and so on.</p><p></p><p>I have this build prepared for now:</p><p></p><p><strong>Frilled Lizardfolk </strong>(+STR +WIS +CHA -INT)</p><p><strong>Cleric</strong> of homebrew by my DM former fay turned god-like (+WIS) (the deity is Neutral Evil, but accepts followers of every alignmnet that will fight demons; i have a preference towards Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral, depending on the rest of the party to avoid too much conflicts)</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Divine Ability:</strong> Charisma or Strength</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Divine Font:</strong> harm or heal</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Divine Skill:</strong> Performance</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Favored Weapon:</strong> longspear, glaive</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Domains:</strong> pain, sun, fire, creation, confidence, ambition, destruction</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Cleric Spells:</strong> 1st: burning hands, 2nd: quench, 4th: wall of fire</li> </ul><p><strong>Artist Background</strong> (+CHA + STR)</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Ability Boosts</strong></p><p>Lvl 1: +STR+CON+WIS+CHA (16 10 12 16 8 16)</p><p>Lvl 5: +STR+CON+WIS+CHA (18 10 14 18 8 18)</p><p>Lvl 10:+STR+DEX+CON+CHA (19 12 16 18 8 19)</p><p>Lvl 15:+STR+DEX+WIS+CHA (20 14 16 19 8 20)</p><p>Lvl 20:+DEX+CON+WIS+INT (20 16 18 20 10 20)</p><p></p><p><strong>Ancestry Feats</strong></p><p>Lvl 1: Reptile Rider</p><p>Lvl 5: Guided by the Stars</p><p>Lvl 9: Terrain Advantage</p><p>Lvl 13: Bone Investiture</p><p>Lvl 17: Scion Transformation</p><p></p><p><strong>General Feats</strong></p><p>Lvl 3: Toughness</p><p>Lvl 7: Prescient Planner</p><p>Lvl 11: Prescient Consumable</p><p>Lvl 15: Incredible Investiture</p><p>Lvl 19: Fleet</p><p></p><p><strong>Skill Feats</strong></p><p>Lvl 2: Virtuosic Performer</p><p>Lvl 4: Impressive Performance</p><p>Lvl 6: Intimidating Prowess</p><p>Lvl 8: Terrifying Resistance</p><p>Lvl 10: Battle Cry</p><p>Lvl 12: Terrified Retreat</p><p>Lvl 14: Disturbing Knowledge</p><p>Lvl 16: Specialty Crafting</p><p>Lvl 18: Legendary Performer</p><p>Lvl 20: Scare to Death</p><p></p><p><strong>Cleric Class Feats</strong></p><p>Lvl 2: Harming Hands</p><p>Lvl 4: Channel Smite</p><p>Lvl 6: Champion Dedication</p><p>Lvl 8: Domain Initiate (Zeal) Focus Spell - Weapon Surge</p><p>Lvl 10: Domain Initiate (Pain) Focus Spell - Savor the Sting</p><p>Lvl 12: Advanced Domain (Pain) Focus Spell - Retributive Pain</p><p>Lvl 14: Premonition of Clarity</p><p>Lvl 16: Cast Down</p><p>Lvl 18: Shared Clarity</p><p>Lvl 20: Maker of Miracles</p><p></p><p><strong>Free Archetype Feats</strong></p><p>Lvl 2: Bard Dedication</p><p>Lvl 4: Basic Bard Spellcasting</p><p>Lvl 6: Counter Perform</p><p>Lvl 8: Advanced Muse’s Whispers (Melodious Spell)</p><p>Lvl 10: Occult Breadth</p><p>Lvl 12: Expert Bard Spellcasting</p><p>Lvl 14: Diverse Armor Expert</p><p>Lvl 16: Champion's Reaction</p><p>Lvl 18: Master Bard Spellcasting</p><p>Lvl 20: Divine Ally</p><p></p><p><strong>Skill Increases</strong></p><p>Lvl 1: Trained in: Religion, Performance, Crafting</p><p>Lvl 2: Trained in: Occultism, Intimidation</p><p>Lvl 3: Expert Occultism</p><p>Lvl 5: Expert Intimidation</p><p>Lvl 7: Master Occultism</p><p>Lvl 9: Master Intimidation</p><p>Lvl 11: Expert Performance</p><p>Lvl 13: Master Performance</p><p>Lvl 15: Legendary Occultism</p><p>Lvl 17 Legendary Performance</p><p>Lvl 19 Legendary Intimidation</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vengrath, post: 8247093, member: 7030435"] Hello! I'm about to start my first campaign using PF 2nd edition ruleset. My DM most often than not wants us to optimize our builds, because he likes to throw more challenging encounters than the book suggests (we are pushed to our limits in our current campaign, and i started the campaign as 19DEX 20 INT Bladesinger) I have decided to go for a [B]Cleric[/B] with [B]Warpriest[/B] doctrine, but with some additional capabilities (we play with a free archetype rules). Basically the idea is to smite everything, everywhere, everytime. Cleric gives me a lot of high-level Harm casts that i can use to Channel Smite, and bard gives me access to [B]Counter Perform[/B] and [B]Occult Spell List[/B]. With Warpriest i have training in medium armor, and later on i grab heavy armor with Champion Dedication, that also grants me access to powerful [B]Champion's Reaction[/B]. I believe it would be a strong character, but then again, i have not yet played in Pathfinder 2edition ruleset, so I'm not sure, and so i ask you to point out any and all weaknesses of this build, suggest improvements, and so on. I have this build prepared for now: [B]Frilled Lizardfolk [/B](+STR +WIS +CHA -INT) [B]Cleric[/B] of homebrew by my DM former fay turned god-like (+WIS) (the deity is Neutral Evil, but accepts followers of every alignmnet that will fight demons; i have a preference towards Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral, depending on the rest of the party to avoid too much conflicts) [LIST] [*][B]Divine Ability:[/B] Charisma or Strength [*][B]Divine Font:[/B] harm or heal [*][B]Divine Skill:[/B] Performance [*][B]Favored Weapon:[/B] longspear, glaive [*][B]Domains:[/B] pain, sun, fire, creation, confidence, ambition, destruction [*][B]Cleric Spells:[/B] 1st: burning hands, 2nd: quench, 4th: wall of fire [/LIST] [B]Artist Background[/B] (+CHA + STR) [B] Ability Boosts[/B] Lvl 1: +STR+CON+WIS+CHA (16 10 12 16 8 16) Lvl 5: +STR+CON+WIS+CHA (18 10 14 18 8 18) Lvl 10:+STR+DEX+CON+CHA (19 12 16 18 8 19) Lvl 15:+STR+DEX+WIS+CHA (20 14 16 19 8 20) Lvl 20:+DEX+CON+WIS+INT (20 16 18 20 10 20) [B]Ancestry Feats[/B] Lvl 1: Reptile Rider Lvl 5: Guided by the Stars Lvl 9: Terrain Advantage Lvl 13: Bone Investiture Lvl 17: Scion Transformation [B]General Feats[/B] Lvl 3: Toughness Lvl 7: Prescient Planner Lvl 11: Prescient Consumable Lvl 15: Incredible Investiture Lvl 19: Fleet [B]Skill Feats[/B] Lvl 2: Virtuosic Performer Lvl 4: Impressive Performance Lvl 6: Intimidating Prowess Lvl 8: Terrifying Resistance Lvl 10: Battle Cry Lvl 12: Terrified Retreat Lvl 14: Disturbing Knowledge Lvl 16: Specialty Crafting Lvl 18: Legendary Performer Lvl 20: Scare to Death [B]Cleric Class Feats[/B] Lvl 2: Harming Hands Lvl 4: Channel Smite Lvl 6: Champion Dedication Lvl 8: Domain Initiate (Zeal) Focus Spell - Weapon Surge Lvl 10: Domain Initiate (Pain) Focus Spell - Savor the Sting Lvl 12: Advanced Domain (Pain) Focus Spell - Retributive Pain Lvl 14: Premonition of Clarity Lvl 16: Cast Down Lvl 18: Shared Clarity Lvl 20: Maker of Miracles [B]Free Archetype Feats[/B] Lvl 2: Bard Dedication Lvl 4: Basic Bard Spellcasting Lvl 6: Counter Perform Lvl 8: Advanced Muse’s Whispers (Melodious Spell) Lvl 10: Occult Breadth Lvl 12: Expert Bard Spellcasting Lvl 14: Diverse Armor Expert Lvl 16: Champion's Reaction Lvl 18: Master Bard Spellcasting Lvl 20: Divine Ally [B]Skill Increases[/B] Lvl 1: Trained in: Religion, Performance, Crafting Lvl 2: Trained in: Occultism, Intimidation Lvl 3: Expert Occultism Lvl 5: Expert Intimidation Lvl 7: Master Occultism Lvl 9: Master Intimidation Lvl 11: Expert Performance Lvl 13: Master Performance Lvl 15: Legendary Occultism Lvl 17 Legendary Performance Lvl 19 Legendary Intimidation [/QUOTE]
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