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<blockquote data-quote="Equitable Remedy" data-source="post: 7002203" data-attributes="member: 6801941"><p>For now, let's set aside the question of whether a bladesinger <em>should</em> be taking on a tanking roll and think about <em>how best to do it</em>. It's an unorthodox group <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p><p></p><p>The parameters are: a campaign starting at level 1 but likely to go into the upper levels, pure bladesinger wizard, point-buy with feats. <strong>The question is how to optimize a bladesinger to survive on the front line as at least a quasi-tank?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Stat array: 10 16 14 16 10 8 (after High Elf bonuses)?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I know that the orthodoxy is to take an 8 in strength, but who wants to be a -1 strength mod weenie?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Assuming I do take strength down to 8, what should I raise? Dexterity or constitution to 17 or 15 respectively doesn't get me anything unless I take resilient (dex/con) at some point. (More on that below.) Wisdom 12 adds a point to wisdom skills/saves, which isn't nothing.</li> </ul></li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In terms of what feat to take, would Resilient (Constitution) make the most sense?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This bladesinger is going to be mixing it up on the front line, and his AC isn't always going to save him.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Are constitution saves or dexterity saves more important for a front liner in 5e?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What about the war caster feat? A full wizard making spell opportunity attacks is quite a deterrent from trying to walk away from him.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">With 4 ASIs going to max dexterity and intelligence, he's only going to get one feat</li> </ul></li> </ul><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lastly, when should I take that one feat? Is it most important to max intelligence and dexterity before taking any feats?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If resilient (constitution) is the feat choice, should he take it at 4 to get constitution save proficiency (plus that extra 1 HP per level) as early as possible?</li> </ul></li> </ul><p></p><p>I'm less concerned about how to play the character and more concerned about how to build him. A mix of good AC, SCAG cantrips, a rapier, defensive spells (the usual suspects like shield, absorb elements, mage armor, etc.) and control spells should be fun to play (assuming that I don't get one-shotted by an ogre or something) and <em>potentially</em> effective on the front line.</p><p></p><p>There are a lot of thoughts and questions here, so I appreciate you sticking with me! I also want to thank all of you in advance for your thoughts and advice!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Equitable Remedy, post: 7002203, member: 6801941"] For now, let's set aside the question of whether a bladesinger [I]should[/I] be taking on a tanking roll and think about [I]how best to do it[/I]. It's an unorthodox group :cool: The parameters are: a campaign starting at level 1 but likely to go into the upper levels, pure bladesinger wizard, point-buy with feats. [B]The question is how to optimize a bladesinger to survive on the front line as at least a quasi-tank? [/B] [LIST] [*]Stat array: 10 16 14 16 10 8 (after High Elf bonuses)? [LIST] [*]I know that the orthodoxy is to take an 8 in strength, but who wants to be a -1 strength mod weenie? [*]Assuming I do take strength down to 8, what should I raise? Dexterity or constitution to 17 or 15 respectively doesn't get me anything unless I take resilient (dex/con) at some point. (More on that below.) Wisdom 12 adds a point to wisdom skills/saves, which isn't nothing. [/LIST] [/LIST] [LIST] [*]In terms of what feat to take, would Resilient (Constitution) make the most sense? [LIST] [*]This bladesinger is going to be mixing it up on the front line, and his AC isn't always going to save him. [*]Are constitution saves or dexterity saves more important for a front liner in 5e? [*]What about the war caster feat? A full wizard making spell opportunity attacks is quite a deterrent from trying to walk away from him. [*]With 4 ASIs going to max dexterity and intelligence, he's only going to get one feat [/LIST] [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Lastly, when should I take that one feat? Is it most important to max intelligence and dexterity before taking any feats? [LIST] [*]If resilient (constitution) is the feat choice, should he take it at 4 to get constitution save proficiency (plus that extra 1 HP per level) as early as possible? [/LIST] [/LIST] I'm less concerned about how to play the character and more concerned about how to build him. A mix of good AC, SCAG cantrips, a rapier, defensive spells (the usual suspects like shield, absorb elements, mage armor, etc.) and control spells should be fun to play (assuming that I don't get one-shotted by an ogre or something) and [I]potentially[/I] effective on the front line. There are a lot of thoughts and questions here, so I appreciate you sticking with me! I also want to thank all of you in advance for your thoughts and advice! [/QUOTE]
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