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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7534257" data-attributes="member: 20564"><p>I like your ideas, just exploring some options adjacent to them as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What about a swapping a Hill Dwarf Knowledge cleric. Hill Dwarf means +2 HPs per level (+2 CON plus Dwarven Toughness), +1 WIS, and if at some point does take a feat for heavy armor no need to worry abut STR for it. And Darkvision. Knowledge cleric makes up the half-elf skill loss though knowledge skills only, plus adds in expertise (and stonecunning for a very specific subset) which is good for a moderate INT modifier. It also gives a CD for any specific tool or skill if a specific one is needed, and is Potent Spellcasting so Toll the Dead is even better (and it's ranged). But assuming a 14 DEX (instead of the 15 STR for full speed in Plate) the AC is only 1 less. Plus the very minor advantage that they aren't both competing for the same type of armor if magic armor is found.</p><p></p><p>It's interesting, Knowledge cleric isn't usually high on my list because of the mismatch between INT-based skills for a cleric, but the limited design space of a two character party could make that shine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not sure if you counted the level of hexblade in the count before going sorcerer. I would hate to give up the feature at 7th, especially if it was resistance to magic from Oath of the Ancients. And the ASI at 8th, considering that at 4th you recommend Resilient (CON) which is a great feat but we need to boost CHR for social skills, saves (aura), DCs, and attack/damage (from hexblade).</p><p></p><p>I might suggest hexblade earlier - Booming Blade can be a nice boost before extra attack, and Shield can help tank at those low levels before plate can be afforded (and after as well, it scales great).</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, while weapon + shield is very nice for the tank, a two handed, GWM, and Oath of Vengance is a really good damage dealer which we could use. BUT hexblade can't make a two handed weapon CHR based unless you take pact of the blade at Warlock 3rd and pack of the blade it. Though that also opens up eventually getting Elven Accuracy, which pairs nicely with Oath of Vengance and GWM. Going Warlock 3 also means two 2nd level slots per short rest for casting or Divine Smite, instead of just one 1st level slot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7534257, member: 20564"] I like your ideas, just exploring some options adjacent to them as well. What about a swapping a Hill Dwarf Knowledge cleric. Hill Dwarf means +2 HPs per level (+2 CON plus Dwarven Toughness), +1 WIS, and if at some point does take a feat for heavy armor no need to worry abut STR for it. And Darkvision. Knowledge cleric makes up the half-elf skill loss though knowledge skills only, plus adds in expertise (and stonecunning for a very specific subset) which is good for a moderate INT modifier. It also gives a CD for any specific tool or skill if a specific one is needed, and is Potent Spellcasting so Toll the Dead is even better (and it's ranged). But assuming a 14 DEX (instead of the 15 STR for full speed in Plate) the AC is only 1 less. Plus the very minor advantage that they aren't both competing for the same type of armor if magic armor is found. It's interesting, Knowledge cleric isn't usually high on my list because of the mismatch between INT-based skills for a cleric, but the limited design space of a two character party could make that shine. Not sure if you counted the level of hexblade in the count before going sorcerer. I would hate to give up the feature at 7th, especially if it was resistance to magic from Oath of the Ancients. And the ASI at 8th, considering that at 4th you recommend Resilient (CON) which is a great feat but we need to boost CHR for social skills, saves (aura), DCs, and attack/damage (from hexblade). I might suggest hexblade earlier - Booming Blade can be a nice boost before extra attack, and Shield can help tank at those low levels before plate can be afforded (and after as well, it scales great). On the other hand, while weapon + shield is very nice for the tank, a two handed, GWM, and Oath of Vengance is a really good damage dealer which we could use. BUT hexblade can't make a two handed weapon CHR based unless you take pact of the blade at Warlock 3rd and pack of the blade it. Though that also opens up eventually getting Elven Accuracy, which pairs nicely with Oath of Vengance and GWM. Going Warlock 3 also means two 2nd level slots per short rest for casting or Divine Smite, instead of just one 1st level slot. [/QUOTE]
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