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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3503023" data-attributes="member: 15999">Well, the point is that the conjuration school has many other ways to hurt people.&nbsp; Indirect damage through summoned creatures, damage and battlefield control through cloud spells, and of course the school has MANY utility spells.&nbsp; Evocation's primary role has always been massive HP damage, both single-target and area-effect, through energy and force effects.I don't think anybody objects to conjuration spells having damage potential in a general sense, and having played a druid for 19 levels I can say that summoning spells can be amazingly powerful.&nbsp; Not to mention what a real conjurer could accomplish with Planar Binding (among other things, you can call outsiders who can in turn throw energy-damage spells).&nbsp; But to take the conjuration school, and then add the main function of the evocation school -- direct energy damage, both single-target and area, only the conjurer does it better because SR doesn't apply -- is creating an overpowered school, and one that has a less clear focus.The Divination school can deal damage indirectly through True Strike.&nbsp; The Illusion school through Shadow Conjuration or Shadow Evocation, or indirectly through Improved Invisibility on the party rogue.&nbsp; The Transmutation school indirectly through buffs (Polymorph, Haste, many others) or directly through Disintegrate.&nbsp; The Abjuration school indirectly through Dispel Magic (stripping away the enemy's protections) or Prismatic Wall.&nbsp; The Necromancy school through Vampiric Touch or Enervation.&nbsp; The Enchantment school through Dominating one of the enemy.&nbsp; But it doesn't make sense to me to give Evocation-like spells to any of these schools, nor to Conjuration.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 3503023, member: 15999"] Well, the point is that the conjuration school has many other ways to hurt people. Indirect damage through summoned creatures, damage and battlefield control through cloud spells, and of course the school has MANY utility spells. Evocation's primary role has always been massive HP damage, both single-target and area-effect, through energy and force effects. I don't think anybody objects to conjuration spells having damage potential in a general sense, and having played a druid for 19 levels I can say that summoning spells can be amazingly powerful. Not to mention what a real conjurer could accomplish with Planar Binding (among other things, you can call outsiders who can in turn throw energy-damage spells). But to take the conjuration school, and then add the main function of the evocation school -- direct energy damage, both single-target and area, only the conjurer does it better because SR doesn't apply -- is creating an overpowered school, and one that has a less clear focus. The Divination school can deal damage indirectly through True Strike. The Illusion school through Shadow Conjuration or Shadow Evocation, or indirectly through Improved Invisibility on the party rogue. The Transmutation school indirectly through buffs (Polymorph, Haste, many others) or directly through Disintegrate. The Abjuration school indirectly through Dispel Magic (stripping away the enemy's protections) or Prismatic Wall. The Necromancy school through Vampiric Touch or Enervation. The Enchantment school through Dominating one of the enemy. But it doesn't make sense to me to give Evocation-like spells to any of these schools, nor to Conjuration. [/QUOTE]

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