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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8035182" data-attributes="member: 83242">Actually, that is not 4e canon.&nbsp; In the 4e adventure &quot;Prince of Undeath&quot; Orcus does indeed defeat her (apparently 1v1). She only survives if the PCs are able to defeat him.&nbsp; Also, the demon princes were indeed as powerful as some gods in 4e.&nbsp; In fact, Demogorgon even killed a god* (the one who split its head in two) in 4e.&nbsp; For reference here are the lvls for some demon lords and gods for which stats wrw provided by WotC:Gods:Bahamut - lvl 36Lolth - lvl 35Maglubiyet - lvl 32Tiamat - lvl 35Torog - lvl 34Vecna - lvl 35Demons Lords:Baphomet - lvl 28Dagon - lvl 32Demogorgon - lvl 34Orcus - lvl 33 (34 when empowered in &quot;Prince of Undeath&quot;)Pazuzu - lvl 33Yeenoghu - lvl 28*from the MM2:[ATTACH=full]123658[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 8035182, member: 83242"] Actually, that is not 4e canon. In the 4e adventure "Prince of Undeath" Orcus does indeed defeat her (apparently 1v1). She only survives if the PCs are able to defeat him. Also, the demon princes were indeed as powerful as some gods in 4e. In fact, Demogorgon even killed a god* (the one who split its head in two) in 4e. For reference here are the lvls for some demon lords and gods for which stats wrw provided by WotC: [B][U]Gods:[/U][/B] Bahamut - lvl 36 Lolth - lvl 35 Maglubiyet - lvl 32 Tiamat - lvl 35 Torog - lvl 34 Vecna - lvl 35 [B][U]Demons Lords:[/U][/B] Baphomet - lvl 28 Dagon - lvl 32 Demogorgon - lvl 34 Orcus - lvl 33 (34 when empowered in "Prince of Undeath") Pazuzu - lvl 33 Yeenoghu - lvl 28 *from the MM2: [ATTACH type="full" alt="1594520625273.png"]123658[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]

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