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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 8036329" data-attributes="member: 6803643">That said, the 4e Pantheon was, and has been in 5e from December 2014 onward - it was included in the Dungeon Master's Guide as an example pantheon of how you can put together your own pantheon using inspiration from various other pantheons included in the 5e PHB. This was always an implicit suggestion of "here it is if you want to keep playing games in your 4e Points of Light setting but don't know how we'd translate that with 5e's Cleric Domains."The Raven Queen of Exandria and the Dungeon Master's Guide are inherently different from the Raven Queen of Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, since that book is setting-specific when it's describing it's conflicts. Mordenkainen may be a Greyhawk entity, but the core rules and their expansions all assume you're playing in the Forgotten Realms as a baseline. This is the FR Raven Queen, and her Elven Shadar-Kai, rather than the Raven Queen and the Human-descended Shadar-Kai as they appeared in the Nerath setting. It might work with Greyhawk even, since we never knew what the RQ was in Greyhawk as she didn't exist as an entity before 4e, but it's incompatible with other D&D settings that included her 4e incarnation (like Exandria). Notably, Greyhawk had shadow-fey Shadar-Kai, so it's more likely that this portrayal is trying to bring her in-ine story-wise with that earlier incarnation of the Shadar-Kai. But in Nerath, she is the patron deity of the titulous nation of Humans. The capital of Nerath is Nera, which in tradition is a name of the non-Elven Raven Queen (though likely not her real name either, as it's clearly a distaff counterpart name to her former consort Nerull who she overthrew and took the portfolio of).It's also worth noting that in 4e Realmslore, Shadar-kai are a relatively new creation of the Shades of Netheril. It's unclear if that bit of lore survived through to 5e, and how they'd reconcile that with the new elven Shadar-kai, but it's likely that those Shadar-kai are just going to be called Netherese Shades and any distinction between the two races (Shade was a 4e race too) will be lost as irrelevant lore to the current game.That wasn't in the Fiendish Codex, first? I really need to review those 3.5e era books; so much of the 4e Demon and Devil lore comes from those books, but some particulars weren't carried over due to the changes to the cosmology in 4e and the merging of Yugoloths with demons.</blockquote>

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