[OT] Angel

[Ranger REG]

The time-hopping demon might be Conner? It's possible.

Oh, no. Temporal migraine again.

So, Holtz jump into the netherworld and yet that demon still exist. Even if the demon is Conner, why go through all that trouble to have his younger self killed? Maybe he is cursed with immortality that goes along with that ooglie face.

 

[Wolfspider]

It would be interesting if the demon turns out to be Connor.

Yeah, this is what I was hinting at earlier. It would be twisted enough.

 

[Angelsboi]

To Quote Xander:

"Yo mean i figured something out? Im done with the book learning!"

 

[Grim]

My theory is that the demon is just an angry demon, although it does maybe sound like it could be Connor. Maybe he is angry because of something that an alternite Angel did in a different dimmension, or he could BE an alternate angel, or an alternate connor, bent on destroying not just his alternate father, but ALL his fathers. But the secret plot twist is that the demon went back in time, and gave whoever wrote the book a bunch of false prophesies, and that they are not really real, but set in motion the demons secret plans. My other theory is that it is not Angel "the father" who will devour, or kill, Connor, but it is his other "father" Holtz, who said he would "treat him like his own son." That would be evil!

HEY! maybe the demon is Holtz himself! it would sort of make sense.

 

[SarahHeacock]

If Sarjhan IS Holtz, then he would not have been so surprised that his previous self did not follow through on the plans.

Sarjhan being Connor also doesn't make sense since we are given clear evidence (and NOT just when Sarjhan is talking to others. But when he's supposedly talking to himself) that he wants to kill Connor -- and if he IS Connor... then he would already know he survived.

I'm not sure who he is -- or even if that's a question we are supposed to be asking (or might get an answer)

Any answer doesn't make a lot of sense... Because of the time traveling aspect. Sarjhan would know what does and does not work and thus wouldn't be so surprised at the end that Holtz jumped into the portal with the kid.

Personally, I think Sarjhan ran into Angel in the future and his time sense is a bit messed up. So he got angry Angel didn't remember him because he doesn't quite realize that Angel hasn't met him yet.

(MAybe, because of this incident, the "First" time Sarjhan met Angel, Angel was not that happy with him and thus fought him, hurting him badly and making him want to get back at Angel -- though why this involves killing Connor I'm not sure i admit.)

 

[KnowTheToe]

The thing is Wesley was misguided. Remember he had translated it wrong. The true translation was that the father would devour the son.

By the time Wesley took Connor the prophecy had already come true and passed, the laced blood.

Besides if it came down to Angel killing Connor or vice versa I think Angel would let Connor kill him.

I do have a question though. What are the exact conditions that unleash Angelis? Is it possible that if they do get Connor back safe and sound that Angel's love of a father for his son could trigger the change?

IMHO this is a MAJOR flaw of this season. Angel is happier and more content than when he was with Buffy. The idea of one romp in the hay bringing more happiness than the birth and life of your baby is stupid. Any father could contest to that. Usually such a large flaw with one of the main concepts of a show would turn me off, but everything else is interesting, action packed and still a little funny, so it helps ease the pain.

 

[uv23]

I've been content to ignore the entire time-travelling thread. The episode was so good that I can do that and still enjoy it. I loathe time travel with all my heart and wish producers would just drop it already.

 

[Wolfspider]

IMHO this is a MAJOR flaw of this season. Angel is happier and more content than when he was with Buffy. The idea of one romp in the hay bringing more happiness than the birth and life of your baby is stupid. Any father could contest to that. Usually such a large flaw with one of the main concepts of a show would turn me off, but everything else is interesting, action packed and still a little funny, so it helps ease the pain.

Well, maybe Angel ISN'T truly happy even with Connor in his life. I mean, I know from first-hand experience that having a child is a wonderful thing--certainly the best thing that's ever happened to me--but there are worries and stresses that go along with it that that can make the experience worrisome as well. Besides these normal parental concerns, remember that a powerful organization is trying to kill his son. I don't know about you, but if my child was being hunted I would hardly be a happy person.

Also remember that he has other things on his mind as well. The loss of Darla is still a fresh wound, and Angel still has ambiguous feelings concerning Cordelia, even though he's put on a happy face about the whole thing.

This is enough to make anyone a bit unhappy.

 

[Petrosian]

I think the demon is just a demon... not connor...

the reason angel does not know why the demon is after him is...

it hasn't happened yet.

At some point in the future, angel will encounter the demon and go after him, wrecking something of import to the demon... like maybe a son.

the demon wont know why this crazed vampire is after him but that will escape angel's notice.

Now the demon will set himself after angel going back in time to find angel's enemies (holtz) and eventually to cost angel his son as seen on TV.

The triggering event is obviously in the demon's past but it could still be in angel's future.

isn't time travel fun.

 

[Ranger REG]

Or maybe it did happened but Angel -- or Angelus, if his evil persona have something to share -- don't know about it or don't put too much thought to each and every demonic adversaries he encountered, regardless if the adversary is considered a main villain at the time, or a simple criminal without power.

I am beginning to hate the Groo. He should get his own spin-off series.