[OT] Atkin's Diet

alsih2o said:


keep the faith joe b. :) nothing like being a lean, mean gaming machine!

we'll i got married a 1 1/2 years ago to a wonderful woman who happens to be 7 years younger than me.

i promised her fifty year of my ever-joyful presence so i've finally decided to lose all the weight and keep my heart good, but five times a week at the YMCA gets a little boring.. hehe

i love the faces though when the person next to me realizes im listening to motorhead "orgasmatron". hehe


joe b.
 

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the secret to exercise...

... is to find something you enjoy so much that you'll keep doing it.

This morning I was out mountain biking. At the junction of the singletrack and the fire road, 1000' up the mountain and 14 miles away from home, I met this guy who was a trail runner eating a snickers bar (he was rail thin, and mentioned that he was going to run 30 miles or so today). He and I chatted for a bit about hiking, running, and backpacking. Then his friend showed up, and said, "I'm a little short on calories... I guess I should have carried more food."

I laughed and said, "I was reading about this guy who did the Appalachian trail, the Continental Divide trial, and the Pacific Crest trail all in one year eating nothing but snickers bars."

The guy I chatted with stopped and said, "That's me. I'm Brian Robinson." He ate 6000 calories a day on the trip, 1500 just from snicker's bars alone (that's about 10 bars a day).

So forget the Atkins diet or anything else, just do what Brian did --- go on an 8000 mile hike and eat 10 snickers bars a day. :)
 
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Re: the secret to exercise...

Thorin Stoutfoot said:
... is to find something you enjoy so much that you'll keep doing it.


So forget the Atkins diet or anything else, just do what Keith did --- go on an 8000 mile hike and eat 10 snickers bars a day. :)

thats hilarious! heheh

its is much easier to do something you like. When the wife an i were in India we'd just walk everywhere and that, in the 120 degree heat, was pleanty of exercise.

I wish i could just walk places in america. :(

oh well, i have the "Cross-Trainer" machine.. heheh :)

joe b.
 


Despite my (excessivly?) strong opinons on the subject I am NOT an expert

Atkins sucks. I don't know anybody with a serious weight problem who's made it more than a year. Its hell going on, its hell going off and when you boomarang you pick up a lot more.

The first few months ALWAYS go great but it rarely lasts. Then after a few months when you start to gain weight back (or you start to miss your targets) your self-respect takes a pounding. Nothing is harder than feeling like a failure and the cycle that Atkins puts people on leads very strongly toward that.
If your devoted enough to do Atkins, you would have lost it anyway.

You can't eat most of what Americans eat
1. no sugar -- no ice cream, no chocolate/sweets, no sweet ceral (includs granola), no juice, no soda
1.1 no low-fat food -- a low fat muffin is just a muffin with lots of simple carbs (sugar) instead of complex carbs.
2. no fried foods, oily foods -- no pizza, no macdonalds, nothing fried,
3. no beer*

* = this is probably impossible do this instead: a beer is equal to a plate of food. So two beers and a small salad and you're done. Three beers and no dinner.

Like somebody said above: Run. Going to the gym will, at best, build muscle, in actuality what happens is you work out more you think you're hungrier your body gets wonky and stressed out and its hard to control yourself.
Running 3 days a week for an hour is enough. I lost around 40 points (almost 20 kilos so maybe more like 50 this way once I got the diet under control). This will also keep your skin tight and less saggy.

Moderation:
This means 21/2 meals a day. Save yourself a solid meal for dinner, you'll probably eat big no matter what happens. Have something light for breakfast.
You may (probably) eat too much at a sitting. This is a tough one. Realize that most people in western cultures consume too much. Counting calories actually works for some people. 1500 is sufficent unless you're a tri-athlete in full training.

If you're overweight your body's basically wrecked as far as your appetite goes. Being hungry, unfortunately, has no meaning. Just because you feel like you're hungry don't eat. Keep a specified schedual.

not an expert, so this is all personal experience, either myself, people I love or people I know well. My father flubbed atkins, I'm watching my boss do the same. People who suceeded that I know of generally had just gotten overweight for the first time in their lives, freaked out, went on whatever diet was in vogue and took the weight off. They would have lost it anyway and they didn't have time to boomerang (or those habits that people who have weight problems have developed and the pyscholgical defense mechanisms that keep them from coming to grips with the problem).

Also, and I realize this really isn't my business and I'm not asking you to share but you should probably think about your relationship with food. I know food was a comfort for me. Which is fine but (assuming you're like me) even when you want to be comfortable you need to have the self-discipline to do something else to get your center back.

Last thing: Don't linger or do something else while you eat. Sit down, have your meal, then finish and do something else. Eating while watching TV, surfing the 'net, etc. Is pretty bad.

Sorry if I spazzed on this one. Its a tough nut to crack. good luck.
 

Re: Despite my (excessivly?) strong opinons on the subject I am NOT an expert

Graf said:
Running 3 days a week for an hour is enough. I lost around 40 points (almost 20 kilos so maybe more like 50 this way once I got the diet under control). This will also keep your skin tight and less saggy.
The new federal guidelines indicate that for maximum cardiovascular health, an average of an hour a day is sufficient: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...l_hsn/any_exercise_is_better_than_no_exercise

Of course, if you aren't exercising at all, anything is better than nothing, so get started now.

It used to be that they recommended exercising for 30 minutes every other day, but they measured what really healthy people do, and it turns out that the really healthy ones exercised more than anybody thought.

This goes along with my personal experience---the non-gaming folks that I hang out with are mostly cyclists, backpackers and other outdoorsy types. Anybody engaging in those sports for any period of time quickly realizes that the 30 minutes every other day doesn't get you fit enough for serious trips. An hour a day (averaged out of a week) is much closer to it.
 

Thanks everyone! Though I could stand to loose a few (15-20) pounds, weight loss isn't the reason for the diet. My triglycerides are high and my Dr. wants me to get them back to a reasonable level quickly so he recommended I try this diet and then to something a bit more healthy (ie lower carb), so I thought I'd see if anyone else has any experience with it.


G.
 

I'd strongly recommend the Body-for-LIFE program created by Bill Phillips.

- Six meals a day --- protein, complex carbs, unsaturated fat
- Three sessions of cardio per week -- 20 minutes, high intensity
- Three sessions of weights per week --- no more than an hour
- One free day a week

I've been on the program for over three years now. It's a good way to live.
 

Re: the secret to exercise...

Thorin Stoutfoot said:
So forget the Atkins diet or anything else, just do what Brian did --- go on an 8000 mile hike and eat 10 snickers bars a day. :)

D'oh! Here's the perfect, easy plan for weight loss, and I'm allergic to peanuts.:)

Looks like I'll have to "eat right and exercise."
 
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The Atkins diet works if you're looking to burn of some weight in the short term, but it is not an effective or healthy way to live. A personal trainer friend of mine once said, "The most effective workout program is the one you stick to." The same can be said for diets. Some other people have linked good sites in this thread. If you're just looking to shed 10 lbs., I would get regular amounts of moderate exercise and track everything you eat (everything) for a few days then review it. You'd be amazed how many empty calories Americans (and I'm one of them) consume.

Interesting aside: In a study of diets, 3 different groups were put on the Atkins diet, some other fad diet (40/30/30 I think), and the French diet. The French diet being eat exactly what they eat in France. The French diet group lost the most weight on average, mostly because of portion control.
 

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