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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rel" data-source="post: 203618" data-attributes="member: 99">Of course you are right, Fenros.  As I said, I was watching the old movies to see how they fit together with the new ones so I'm admittedly reading too much into it.But if what you say is true, and Luke did fail Yoda's test, then why did he train him anyway?  I think that what I said about the dangerous prospects of Luke going Dark Side is pretty much on the mark.  And Yoda already knows that "There is another."  So why not skip training Luke who clearly lacks the patience for it and go right to Leia?I suppose I can sort of answer my own questions.  I guess the whole "bird in the hand" philosophy applies here.  Luke was already on Dagobah and Yoda had no way of knowing where Leia was (until Luke started having visions of Bespin).  Therefore, even though he failed the test, he was the best shot at the moment. (It occurs to me that this is precisely the kind of pragmatism that got him into trouble when he decided to grab the nearest clone army to help him out with his crisis in Ep II.)I guess you could also argue that Yoda wasn't going to train Luke until Obi-Wan talked him into it.  One thing that bothered me about that exchange was that when Yoda asserted that Luke was too rash and impatient to begin the training, Obi-Wan replied with something along the lines of "Was I any different when you started training me?"  From what we've seen in Episode I and II, Obi-Wan was very much a "toe the line" kind of Jedi.  He attempted to be a moderating influence on both his master (Qui-Gon) and his apprentice when each tried to strain against the will of the Jedi Council.Anyhow, let me just clarify one thing about my speculations in the post above:  I know that what Fenros says is correct.  Yoda in ESB was not "crazy from guilt".  He was a bit silly because it put him in the role of an unlikely hero and tossed the whole "never judge a book by its cover" moral into the story.  I understand the causality link that I'm proposing does not exist.But still it is fun to speculate and I suppose that it directly stems from my roleplaying experience.  As a GM, I often throw disperate plots at the party early in a campaign.  Sometimes I like to go back and reexamine these plots and see if they somehow fit together in a way that suggests a larger story arc.  I've gotten pretty good at filling in the cracks between these plots and explaining away any inconsistencies.  So it is only natural that I'm trying to do the same thing with Star Wars.  All in all, a fairly fun, if useless exercise.</blockquote>

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