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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 203827" data-attributes="member: 4720">I think they're more a strict order of monks than a military organization.  And I think you're attributing their error to me.  I don't necessarily agree with their way of handling these issues.  In fact, that's what my whole post about arrogance was getting at.  They ARE going about things the wrong way, and it's one of the things that will contribute to their downfall.  I don't think Palpatine will be able to completely get rid of the Jedi without at least the tacit approval of the public, which means he's going to have to discredit them, which they've made a LOT easier by isolating themselves from the public and putting rules ahead of people, both inside and outside the organization.Personally, I thought Qui-Gon Jinn was the Jedi who really had things right.  He always put people ahead of the rules, which is why he was on the outs with the Council.  I have no doubt that he would have gone back for Shmi at some point, the will of the Council be damned.  His philosophy is superior IMO, but I do think it's much harder to practice with an entire organization.  In my experience, once everyone decides they deserve individual attention and treatment, the organization spends all its time and energy dealing with internal issues where individuals start putting ALL their concerns (both important and petty) ahead of the good of the group.  Trust me, I've seen it happen, and it isn't pretty.  It's possible the Jedi would be above that kind of selfishness, but I think their rules came from a desire to take away the sense of self in order to avoid selfishness.  Selfishness, after all, seems to be the hot track to the Dark Side.I also agree with you about Obi-Wan and Padme's treatment of Anakin for the most part, though I imagine Obi-Wan simply had to deal with that kind of thing so often that he was simply losing patience.  Kind of an exasperated father thing, which makes his statement a little more understandable.  After all, Anakin DOES have his place.  The system exists to teach him, and if he's constantly jumping fences and ignoring his teacher, then I can see why Obi-Wan would be a little harsh with him.</blockquote>

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