Tarrasque Wrangler
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...and somewhere in L.A., Charlton Heston is quivering with terror.RSKennan said:
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[OT] Real life cyborg monkey
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rpgHQ
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Myself who cares if a monkey can vocalize or do anything else with this new tech, the tech has been proven true and doable which means not only limb replacement but devices to allow folks who cant or are very limited an ability to communicate with others better, the person strapped in a wheelchair unable to use any of their arms, hands and voice now can look forward tot he possibilities in the not so distanct futre of being able to manipulate a input device for a computer for instance without having to use a joystick in thier mouth or one of those 'sippy' devices where they piff/inhale to manipulate their wheelchair or computer. It goes beyond giving them a mechanical arm or the like. Think about it, a computer keyboard equivalant device controled via thought, no need for manual typing or mouse movement at all.
I am more interested in what such a device would look like, would it even have to look like a keyboard at all. Would it be like one of those flat keyboard mats, would there even be need of visual keys tied to the electronic connectors for each letter? would simply thinking of the letter or word be enough? Same for mouse movement on a screen, what need is there for buttons and balls or infra motion sensors when you can simply think into the device to make the mouse device move, actually what need of the cursor itself at that point except for in use in doing graphic art, and really even then would it be really needed beyond being a visual reminder?
There would be no need for any of the current input devices used for computing use by 'normal' or disabled folks at that point. Just a bit of hardware inside the computer to interface wirelesses the device attached to the persons brain.
Your TV, microwave, other appliances.
A person unable to speak becuase of disability could have a vocalizer with built in text to speech app and be able to communicate instantaneously, not having to use a device with built in phrases that they had inputted before hand.
The implications of smart monkies doesnt even come into the picture for me at this point, we have apes that learn sign language, so it stand to reason with this tech you could have them 'talk' as they can already talk as it is with sign language. Apes and chimps are smart, they can communicate with each other and with humans, they use tools and are hunter-gatherers. Whats to imply? are they human? no. But are they intelligent? yes, dolphins are too. I doubt their level of intelligence even with the ability to communicate will mean they'll start writting harry potter novels though, even their use of sign language is limited as is their ability to recognize actual words, someone else might know the actually numbers but i think its somewhere between 100 and 200 words the smartest ones can recognize and the same for the number of signs the smartest ones can make. Maybe the sign language is more, I dont know. Even if you could teach all apes sign language or jack their brains so they could speek with a device their not going to be some planet of the apes gone wild. A talking parrot is still a parrot, and a talking ape is still a ape. Teaching an ape sign language or fitting it with a device for computerized speech doesnt make the ape any smarter than what it is, it doesnt somehow enlarge that creatures capacity of mental ability. Well maybe it does stimulate the brain but you would still need so many generations to allow the apes mind to evolve further that your still talking 10's of thousands of years.
I am thinking of the implications of disabled peoples ability to communicate and interact with their environement and other people and the next generation of computers and human interfacing. Theres no need for any type of mechanical input device for a computer with this tech. PDA's no longer need touch screens or stylus to work them. The limits of such devices over a 'normal' computer with keyboard and mouse will no longer be there. Someone just came out with a harddrive thats something like an inch wide and long and maybe as thick as a quarter and holds 4gig (or is it more?). You will be able to have full blown computer sorage and processing in a nice walkman sized device now. Using glasses you have the full screen and not some 20 or 50 line screen on a PDA. Actually you have more than a normal monitor screen size effect with screen glasses. Theres some glasses out now that you can hook to your computer or tv/dvd and give the effect of a 70inch screen. So the next step would be to miniturize that tech so you could have 'flippers' like the sunglass snapons folks get that you can snap on and off or flip up.
Thats the implications I am talking about. Being able to walk around with the full resources of a desktop computer tucked snugly in a pocket or stiched into my clothing and never having to use my fingers to manipulate the computer. Maybe not me, but maybe my kids and if not them for sure their kids will be doing so.
Wonder if that means in the next decade or so folks will have to pass thru a detector or have a body search before taking their exams in schools? Then a few more decades why need a classroom at all when the class can teleconferance with the teacher wherever they are?
Those are the implications I am looking at within the next 50 years, not if a poop slinging ape will be taking my order at the burger drivethru window.
I am more interested in what such a device would look like, would it even have to look like a keyboard at all. Would it be like one of those flat keyboard mats, would there even be need of visual keys tied to the electronic connectors for each letter? would simply thinking of the letter or word be enough? Same for mouse movement on a screen, what need is there for buttons and balls or infra motion sensors when you can simply think into the device to make the mouse device move, actually what need of the cursor itself at that point except for in use in doing graphic art, and really even then would it be really needed beyond being a visual reminder?
There would be no need for any of the current input devices used for computing use by 'normal' or disabled folks at that point. Just a bit of hardware inside the computer to interface wirelesses the device attached to the persons brain.
Your TV, microwave, other appliances.
A person unable to speak becuase of disability could have a vocalizer with built in text to speech app and be able to communicate instantaneously, not having to use a device with built in phrases that they had inputted before hand.
The implications of smart monkies doesnt even come into the picture for me at this point, we have apes that learn sign language, so it stand to reason with this tech you could have them 'talk' as they can already talk as it is with sign language. Apes and chimps are smart, they can communicate with each other and with humans, they use tools and are hunter-gatherers. Whats to imply? are they human? no. But are they intelligent? yes, dolphins are too. I doubt their level of intelligence even with the ability to communicate will mean they'll start writting harry potter novels though, even their use of sign language is limited as is their ability to recognize actual words, someone else might know the actually numbers but i think its somewhere between 100 and 200 words the smartest ones can recognize and the same for the number of signs the smartest ones can make. Maybe the sign language is more, I dont know. Even if you could teach all apes sign language or jack their brains so they could speek with a device their not going to be some planet of the apes gone wild. A talking parrot is still a parrot, and a talking ape is still a ape. Teaching an ape sign language or fitting it with a device for computerized speech doesnt make the ape any smarter than what it is, it doesnt somehow enlarge that creatures capacity of mental ability. Well maybe it does stimulate the brain but you would still need so many generations to allow the apes mind to evolve further that your still talking 10's of thousands of years.
I am thinking of the implications of disabled peoples ability to communicate and interact with their environement and other people and the next generation of computers and human interfacing. Theres no need for any type of mechanical input device for a computer with this tech. PDA's no longer need touch screens or stylus to work them. The limits of such devices over a 'normal' computer with keyboard and mouse will no longer be there. Someone just came out with a harddrive thats something like an inch wide and long and maybe as thick as a quarter and holds 4gig (or is it more?). You will be able to have full blown computer sorage and processing in a nice walkman sized device now. Using glasses you have the full screen and not some 20 or 50 line screen on a PDA. Actually you have more than a normal monitor screen size effect with screen glasses. Theres some glasses out now that you can hook to your computer or tv/dvd and give the effect of a 70inch screen. So the next step would be to miniturize that tech so you could have 'flippers' like the sunglass snapons folks get that you can snap on and off or flip up.
Thats the implications I am talking about. Being able to walk around with the full resources of a desktop computer tucked snugly in a pocket or stiched into my clothing and never having to use my fingers to manipulate the computer. Maybe not me, but maybe my kids and if not them for sure their kids will be doing so.
Wonder if that means in the next decade or so folks will have to pass thru a detector or have a body search before taking their exams in schools? Then a few more decades why need a classroom at all when the class can teleconferance with the teacher wherever they are?
Those are the implications I am looking at within the next 50 years, not if a poop slinging ape will be taking my order at the burger drivethru window.
rpgHQ
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s/LaSH said:
I dont know if your joking or not so I will respond as if your not
Those would be like only 1 or 2 of scores of apes and chimps that have been attempted to train sign or word recognition and I am not even sure the word recgonition would be considered proper language formation, their giving visuals of say a dog then flashed the word dog, giving the image of the color red and then flashed the word red and so on and then the word is spoken and the vidsual and word is flashed and such and then later they test them by having a screen full of words in boxes and the visual is shown or the word is spoken and they pick outthe right one and get a treat type deal. I think the most they can form sentance in that case would be like to say red boat or fat boy and the like. I think those taught sign language are able to communicate more clearly than the ones taught the word recognition stuff. None of them could be taught their "abc's" just words for items and words for emotions/feelings.
In any case the 100 to 200 words was only from like what would be considered the 'genius' apes and i think 100 to 200 words would be considered a young childs word recognition ability right? something like the average 8 year old? Isnt 500 words the equivilant of someone with a basic k thru 12 education?
Anyhow like i said I am not sure of the numbers, I might be misremembering them for something else. Maybe it was those numbers for the average human and the lower numbers they gave that i thought were meant for the 'dumber' apes was what the smarter ones had.
But i thought it was 100 to 200 words for the smarter ones with the rest in the 25 to 50 word recognition range
Anyhow maybe even that much scares folks when thinking how intelligent and expressive of feelings apes are and that they share more in common with us than 98% of the same genes.
I wonder though in ape to ape communication how many 'words' they have? if its comparable to humans, ape langauge has sounds and vocalizations and all but its more of posture and facial expression than how humans tend to communicate, theres subconsious(sp?) body communication between humans and some folks learn to consciously(sp? i know my spelling sucks) read body language but for apes i would think its the majority of their communication be it subconscious or not on their part. Their demeanor, expession, posture all go into their communication, and humans were at that level of communication at one time too even if we wernt as hairy as apes at the time.
I wonder why all the tests and experiments you see and read about are always with chimps and gorillas when it comes to language and learning, arent orangatungs genetically/evolutionary closer to humans than the other two apes? Smarter too from what I read, yet you never see any studies in language ability/learning on them.
Anyhow I care more about my grandkids being able to interface with a megacomputer in their pocket with nothing more than their brainwaves than I do about a monkey who left to themselves in a cage with folks staring at them all day will end up doing the same thing they always do, throw poop at people, just with a robot arm controlled by their thought instead, hell you stick a person in a cage with people gawking and teasing them all day and they would do the same thing, frustration is frustration, be you ape or man, and we're nothing but fancy smart hairless apes anyhow.
rpgHQ
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Actually I bet the governments(US government atleast) been playing with stuff like this for a long time, I mean if they used to experiment on folks with LSD and did 'esp' projects back inthe 60's and 70's just imagine the things they been doing in the 80's and 90's.
You watch, once you start seeing the thing in FDA approve human testing or maybe once it 'on the market' the government will have all sorts of uses for it that they developed seemingly overnight. Spouting some drivel about how the implications, flexibility and overall ease of real world usage was never fully understood during research and testing, some nosh along those lines to explain away how they can develope and implement military and intelligence use of such technology so rapidly after the tech is approved for general human use.
And even if they have not been doing their own line of research you can bet they already have a few hundred military applications lined up.
In any event we probably wont see 1/100th of what they use it for or even the research they do on it, sure they might help fund the guys we all know about doing the research but they'll have their own line of experiments going some where hidden away from the rest of the world with more money than bill gates can throw around backing it all up.
You watch, once you start seeing the thing in FDA approve human testing or maybe once it 'on the market' the government will have all sorts of uses for it that they developed seemingly overnight. Spouting some drivel about how the implications, flexibility and overall ease of real world usage was never fully understood during research and testing, some nosh along those lines to explain away how they can develope and implement military and intelligence use of such technology so rapidly after the tech is approved for general human use.
And even if they have not been doing their own line of research you can bet they already have a few hundred military applications lined up.
In any event we probably wont see 1/100th of what they use it for or even the research they do on it, sure they might help fund the guys we all know about doing the research but they'll have their own line of experiments going some where hidden away from the rest of the world with more money than bill gates can throw around backing it all up.
Mercule
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Yup. War isn't exactly a sporting event. Playing fair is optional, at best. Of course, even that assumes that you're willing to label an activity that, by definition, results in human deaths as "fair".d20Dwarf said:
On a different note, I believe the experiment included moving a cursor. In the very near future, I could see that upgraded. Personally, I'm looking forward to getting my datajack.
Just think about the post count.
