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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tempuswolf" data-source="post: 534869" data-attributes="member: 1712">Heck, no, I am the token liberal in my group of friends and would rather see forced sterilization in Japan and Norway rather than the unilateral lifting of bans on whaling that these countries have made.  Hyperbole aside, it's not the message I had a problem with it's the thin gruel of plot and dialogue that the message was served in.  Preachy is okay with me as long as you're clever about it.  I guess that's why I like Southpark which lampoons as many liberal sacred cows as conservative.Unless we set up some objective standard for measuring the quality of the films, I am just as entitled to my informed, albeit subjective, opinion of the film as everyone else is; so it's still on the bottom of my list.  If it's not your favorite, there was some quality you saw in it that raised it above the rest of the field, what was it?  You're probably right about it not being a strict DEM since it appears so early in the film (I guess since the film was all downhill for me after it showed up, I erred, forgive my indulgence <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />); but Macguffin misses the mark as well since the significance of a Macguffin vanishes in the last reel, leaving only the conflict over it behind.  If whalesong-countersong is not considered germane to the film, then the film devolves into Star Trek IV:Temporal Tourism: "Don't forget where we parked."  "Where are the nuklear wessels?" and some nice matte work at the Monterrey Aquarium.</blockquote>

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