[OT] Tenth Planet in Solar System

[Zappo]

Long post ahead.

Since early 1996 traditional WEATHER has CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, breaking all time records regularly.

False. I don't think any "all time record" in weather has been broken in this period. The hottest summer in Italy was tens of years ago; same for the coldest winter; same for the most powerful earthquake; same for the most powerful eruption; same for the most rainy summer; same for everything I can think of. Every summer some newspaper says "this is the hottest summer since...", however what follows is usually a number like, "1998" or *maybe* "1995", so it's not a big deal. Don't know about the rest of the world, but I don't think weather has changed "dramatically".

Over the years, I've had a casual interest in prophecy in relation to earth changes. I read perhaps 100 plus differing intuitives' works from various cultures and times around the globe. Many curiously coincided on what was expected and had an approximate time frame of around the turn of the millennium for their occurrence. After concluding that there was a high probability that this was not a coincidence, I figured that earth changes were possibly part of our immediate future. Because I had no indication of why this would happen or exactly when, I temporarily let it go and lost interest. Prophecy alone did not give me what I was seeking, to be sure. Over the years, I've worked on my dietary habits and studied and practiced yoga off and on. This has had an incremental awakening on my spiritual connection. I know I've a long way to go; at the same time, I see subtleties today I wouldn't have dreamed existed decades ago. For now I'll keep these insights mainly private.

I've an adult son and a grandson. In 1998, about 3 years ago, my son and I both had simultaneous earth change dreams of almost the exact same nature.

Wow, now that's what I call a real scientist!

The so-called Ice Ages are thought to have happened over a period of many years. In fact, the great mammoths found with tropical food in their stomachs that were flash frozen is just one fact from the tip of the iceberg of evidence that shows changes happen very quickly.

Euh? So, the Ice Ages happened in a matter of hours? Earth would not freeze so quickly even if the sun suddenly vanished.

"A heavenly body as large as Jupiter and part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation of Orion by an orbiting telescope." [...] Planet X is 4 to 5 times larger than of earth, 20-25 times its mass and nearly 100 times as dense.

Make up your mind. These estimates are different by orders of magnitude. BTW, if it is 4 times larger than Earth and 100 times as dense, it should have 400 times its mass. Assuming that with "larger" he is talking about volume, of course. If he is talking about radius, then the mass is even bigger, but still many zeros behind Jupiter. Incidentally, Jupiter is bigger AND closer than this planet X, so why isn't Jupiter "perturbating" Earth too?

When X passes between earth and our sun, earth will align to its strong magnetic or gravitation temporarily, instead of our sun's.

Please... Earth's magnetic field is weak. Very weak. It doesn't influence Earth's rotation. If this planet's field is so strong that it can affect a weak magnetic field to the point where it can make a few quadrillions tons of mass turn, then there's no way the government covers this up, simply because every compass in the world would already have stopped working correctly.

Earth societies have reached a pinnacle of development several times before only to be put back in technological and evolutionary time by the wrecking ball of X.

Wow, and all this archeotech has vanished in 3600 years? These atlantideans, or whatever they are, built with biodegradable materials, it seems. Cool.

Many of the advances and discoveries of our so-called modern world took centuries to be rediscovered anew. Listen closely to whatever texts and knowledge from our ancient ancestors that still remain. Their truth is our truth.

I don't see mention of advanced discoveries in ancient writings. Probably the magnetic field affected their minds, too.

"The unstable nature of the dark star's orbit means that it has precipitated periodic change to the orbital radii and climates of the terrestrial planets over the last 4 billion years. Among my findings is that Nibiru is a brown dwarf, a failed star capable of emitting only the faintest reddish light, but whose gravity and infra-red energy emission is sufficient to warm its habitable moons. These moons number 7, it seems, and the infrequent perihelion passages of Nibiru are associated with the 'return of the gods'.

Oh, I see. Aliens live around this thing, too. This is becoming more and more ridiculous. See ya.

If you're wondering why I took the time to write this, it's because NASA paid me to do it.

 

[trancejeremy]

People have been predicting the end of the world for at least 2000 years now, probably longer. So far as I know, hasn't happened yet.

Since there's nothing I (or anyone else) can do to stop it, might as not worry about it.

 

[Umbran]

With the amount of gravitational research done in the solar system since the 20s, you'd think that someone would have noticed the perturbations in orbit that would have been caused by another planet. (This is what caused astronomers to look for, and find, Neptune.) If there were such a planet, it would mean that current theories of gravity are not only wrong, but so wrong that only an incredibly unlikely coincidence of factors lead us to our current theory. So unlikely that we might as well assume that the sun won't rise tomorrow.

Actually, KK, you'd think someone would notice, if you were a little weak on orbital mechanics. In reality, though, it'd be pretty easy to have another planet out past Pluto. The perturbations can rather easily be too small to see over the general uncertainty in position measurements for objects that far out.

The major flaw in the article there is this - the effects of an object that regularly comes close enough that it "...DISRUPTS the surface of EVERY PLANET IT PASSES..." would be easy to see long after the fact. While one can hide a planet out past Pluto. One cannot hide the existance of an object that regularly comes insystem and is large enough to have gravitational effects on planetary surfaces.

Now, a large comet or cometary fragment cloud that comes through and rains down lots of meteoric material on the inner-system is quite possible. Or a large object far out that disturbs the Oort cloud and drops comets on us is also possible. But not a whole planet whooshing through.

 

[Tempuswolf]

Going Off On A Tangential Rant, But...

Why isn't being "a planet" defined intrinisically? Why do we not refer to the Moon as a planet? Why do we not refer to Io, Callisto, Ganymede, and Europa as planets? If the Earth wasn't here wouldn't the Moon be the "third planet"? If Saturn was AWOL wouldn't Titan be the sixth?

Just because stars sometimes bunch up (in binary, trinary, etc systems) we don't say that the smaller star is not a star.

A planet should be defined as any object so massive, it has to take a spherical shape to support it's own weight but not so massive that it starts to burn (thermonuclearly).

I think if Moon was the size of Neptune or Uranus, we wouldn't have this primary/satellite chauvinism. We would say Earth was planet orbiting this other bigger planet.

All that being said, "10th planet"- big whoop.

By my count, two dozen planets have already been discovered in our solar system.

 

[Moon_Goddess]

Re: Going Off On A Tangential Rant, But...

Why isn't being "a planet" defined intrinisically? Why do we not refer to the Moon as a planet? Why do we not refer to Io, Callisto, Ganymede, and Europa as planets? If the Earth wasn't here wouldn't the Moon be the "third planet"? If Saturn was AWOL wouldn't Titan be the sixth?

Just because stars sometimes bunch up (in binary, trinary, etc systems) we don't say that the smaller star is not a star.

A planet should be defined as any object so massive, it has to take a spherical shape to support it's own weight but not so massive that it starts to burn (thermonuclearly).

I think if Moon was the size of Neptune or Uranus, we wouldn't have this primary/satellite chauvinism. We would say Earth was planet orbiting this other bigger planet.

All that being said, "10th planet"- big whoop.

By my count, two dozen planets have already been discovered in our solar system.

Planet and Satalite has nothing whatso ever to do with size, it has to do with who orbits who.

If you replaces the moon with Neptune it would still be a moon, for the short period of time before it's gravity displaced both our orbits, and we started rotating around it. Then we would be a moon. Or more likely we'd jut fall into it.

 

[Umbran]

Re: Going Off On A Tangential Rant, But...

Why isn't being "a planet" defined intrinisically?

For historical reasons. When we first started looking at the heavens, the difference between a "planet" and a "star" were obvious by their motion over time.

Later, though, we defined things by other behavior. An asteroid is qaluitatively different from a planet in many ways. But we never had a rel need to make a quantitative distinction. Everyone knew what an asteroid was, you didn't have to attach number to it.

Everyone knew the difference between a moon and an asteroid, until we started noting captured asteroids as moons. Everyone thinks they know what a planet is, until they see something like Pluto, which muddies the water.

Remember, until recently, we've only had a handful of examples of thise thigns, and we have little data on many of them. When you can count the exelplars on your fingers, you really don't need a specific definition.

 

[jhallum]

I checked out the "ZetaTalk" link and found out two things:

1.) The Hazelwood guy is accused of lifting most of his information from ZetaTalk. He was banned from the ZetaTalk mailing list for constantly posting get-rich-quick schemes.

2.) The information from ZetaTalk comes from Zetan aliens, who channel their information through a woman named Nancy.

Just a couple of things to consider.

-Thornhammer

Ahh Zeta Talk. I remember having run-ins with them on the UseNet Group sci.astro when I was an undergraduate in Astronomy, and then again when I was a grad in Astronomy. (1995-1997)

I haven't been keeping up on the latest round of fun, but the big problem is that the Zeta-Talk people have been making wild claims about where to find this object, and despite the fact that people have gone to look at the exact coordinates of the locations claimed by Nancy and others, no one has found anything at all, even down to very faint magnitures (21 or 22 in some cases). Despite that fact, Nancy and others still claim that the astronomers are looking in the wrong places, and/or are part of a grand conspiracy. Gotta love kooks.

 

[CWD]

And don't forget:

This 10th planet created the asteroid field and earth by destroying another planet called Tiamat (Earth is what's left). That's why the Earth's moon is so big; because it was originally intended to orbit a larger planet.

The aliens that live on the 10th planet (or around it, or whatever) are the beings that we have mistakenly worshipped as gods (or God) for millenia.

The aliens created humans by genetically engineering apes, and infusing them with their DNA. That what the bible means when it says Man is made "in god's image"

The symbol of mercury is not two winged snakes twined around a staff, but a DOUBLE HELIX! That's right, the ancient Greeks knew about DNA! Why, because they saw the symbol on the uniforms of the alien genetic engineers.

Ancient egyptian pharoahs married their half-sisters because they were attempting to save as much alien DNA as possible so they wouldn't lose their immortality and other super-powers. The egyptians preserved their dead kings because they knew the aliens could bring back the dead (which is what they did for Jesus).

My personal favorites though, are when these people take three locations and show how if you connect the dots they make a triangle or a straight line, ignoring the fact that ANY THREE POINTS WILL ALWAYS FORM A TRIANGLE OR A STRAIGHT LINE!!



I'm ashamed to say I have a relative that believes in all this stuff...