(OT) The universe...

[the Jester]

First of all, welcome to the community!

Second of all, I too anticipate this thread being closed. Threads that bring real-world religion into discussion (or politics, or personal insults) are pretty much off-limits here. Even if you didn't intend that, by using the words "Jehova" and "Bible" you more or less threw this into those categories.

Now, if you really aren't intending to be provocative, I'd recommend editing your original post to take those out and crossing your fingers... with luck the thread will keep going. I think that your idea is an interesting one, but I also have to wonder: so what? What's the effect (in terms of the game) of the creation myth being what it is?

One possible answer is that magic is the act of reaching beyond the consensual reality that all the omnispirits (for lack of a better term). For example, casting a wish spell involves reaching into the higher levels of existence, where the rest of the (non-limited) self is- or maybe, it's the non-limited (part of the) self reaching down to help the "rest" of itself out.

Another thing to contemplate: maybe, instead of all the omnispirits being in the same image, some of them are different. After all, there are humans, elves, heck, even dragons and demons and celestials, right? Who's to say that these aren't all omnispirits? Or even part of the same omnispirit?

Or maybe the celestials and whatnot are the go-betweens between the lower (human) self and the divine part of the omnispirit that still exists above and without the "multiverse" as it's known to those within.

Planar cosmology (the great wheel or whathaveyou) might well be only that which is inside the agreed-upon limiting reality; that which is outside might be as alien to "standard" planar knowledge as the Far Realm of Bruce Cordell's fantastic work.

Just a few thoughts...

Again, welcome- the community here's fantastic, and I too hope you stick around, but don't be surprised if this thread gets closed (at least if you don't edit the initial post).

 

[the Jester]

Re: I am...

Interesting responses..

regarding "I am", I think that the subject must be relating to something. I exist in reference to x. even if its unspoken, you can't assert existence without further indicating where, or when, or in relation to what -- if that makes sense. hehe.

Keep in mind that, starting from absolutely no assumptions, the only thing one I can prove is that I exist. I can't prove there's anything in relation to me; I only know what I perceive, and there's no way to prove that my perceptions are accurate.

Cogito ergo sum, and all that.

 

[RolandOfGilead]

Jester, etc.

Reread the top post, I hope you find it as hillarious as I did.. hehe.

 

[the Jester]

Re: Jester, etc.

Reread the top post, I hope you find it as hillarious as I did.. hehe.

Now I think it'll stay open!!!

And a darn fine choice, too, by the way!

 

[NoOneofConsequence]

I think all preachers would consider what they say as sharing.


On a side note, what's with the "hehe" all the time?

 

[RolandOfGilead]

Ok, so what?

Noone,
By that definition everyone who ever told you an idea they believed was preaching to you. Which is fine if that's your belief.. but dont come preaching it here! (Snicker)

And the hehehehe is a holdover from my commodore 64 teenage years, when all I did online was giggle.

 

[Wayside]

Jester: Actually, starting from no assumptions, even cogito ergo sum is suspect. There are plenty of cognitive/empistemological objections, though the severely speculative nature of that area of metaphysics makes definite conclusions problematic anyway.

Also, I posited one possible broad set of implications of the the myth (in case you missed it--we were writing our posts around the same time). Your idea of reaching out of reality (per se) is also interesting, and reminds me of something from "dark physics" stlye magic, i.e. magical "words" are spoken in higher dimensional space and so have a physical reality and effect in our world.

jgbrowning, I don't suppose you practice Hinduism? Actually Roland, the infinite different manifestations of One higher being is the only metaphysically sound argument for the existence of God. That's God, not a god or the Christian god, just the abstract concept of God. In your cosmology though there is no God, only higher beings interacting with each other in a very very strange and cool way, which I will certainly modify and *yoink* just to toy around with creating a world out of it. So, your way works too as long as Frank Zappa is one of many. In fact I think the new WW Demon game would be a lot cooler if it bore a basic resemblance to your idea, or to earlier splinter Christian groups.

Back to the infinite manifestations though, that is a major theme of the Upanishads. Doesn't make for interesting gaming really (well it can but it is really really much more complicated, not something I'd run without a group of grad. philosophy students), but if you want to run a metaphysically accurate game with God you really should read the Upanishads. That probably doesn't matter to most people though , realism and D&D are sort of contrary concepts..

Edit: Oh, and Dweezil is a guitar GOD!

 

[tleilaxu]

Re: Bah You're wrong!

it's not worth it

 

[Piratecat]

Roland of Gilead, welcome to the boards! As you've been told, threads about religion get closed. As will this one, of course. Please feel free to email me if you wish to discuss it.