Eternalknight
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I'm just a newbie wrestling fan, but after seeing Summer Slam and the match between HBK and HHH, I was just wondering how much of it is actually scripted? How is it done?
[OT]Wrestling... how much is fake?
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DevoutlyApathetic
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If you mean the attempts to hurt the other guy, pretty much all of it. If you mean the insane physical stuff they do...that's real for the most part.
While matches are not usually scripted move by move they definitely know how things are going to end before they start.
While matches are not usually scripted move by move they definitely know how things are going to end before they start.
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As DDP once said: Wrestling is fixed, it isn't fake.
It takes an amazing amount of athletic talent and training to do the moves a lot of those guys do, mostly because it would be much easier to maim your opponent than to keep them safe. Most matches rely on the participants coming up with moves on the fly, although there are often "spots" which involve a pre-arranged string of moves and counter-moves. You see spots in cruiser-weight matches more often than you do in heavy-weight matches (i.e. Hardyz do a ton of spots, Undertaker probably hasn't done one in his career). Various wreslters have reps as being "stiff" (no, not that!) which means they are not very good at protecting their opponent during the risky moves. Ahmed Johnson, a wreslter from many years ago, is a good example of this. Conversly, Bret Hart was in the ring for years and never hurt an opponent.
The blood you see, incidently, is real. Wrestlers often "blade," a process that involves cutting their forehead in such a way that ensure a lot of blood flows without much risk of serious injury (sometimes the wrestler blades himself, sometimes the ref does it, cameramen are good at hiding the act so when you see the camera train on X and when they get back to Y, his face is covered in blood, you know what happened).
It takes an amazing amount of athletic talent and training to do the moves a lot of those guys do, mostly because it would be much easier to maim your opponent than to keep them safe. Most matches rely on the participants coming up with moves on the fly, although there are often "spots" which involve a pre-arranged string of moves and counter-moves. You see spots in cruiser-weight matches more often than you do in heavy-weight matches (i.e. Hardyz do a ton of spots, Undertaker probably hasn't done one in his career). Various wreslters have reps as being "stiff" (no, not that!) which means they are not very good at protecting their opponent during the risky moves. Ahmed Johnson, a wreslter from many years ago, is a good example of this. Conversly, Bret Hart was in the ring for years and never hurt an opponent.
The blood you see, incidently, is real. Wrestlers often "blade," a process that involves cutting their forehead in such a way that ensure a lot of blood flows without much risk of serious injury (sometimes the wrestler blades himself, sometimes the ref does it, cameramen are good at hiding the act so when you see the camera train on X and when they get back to Y, his face is covered in blood, you know what happened).
Furn_Darkside
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Westwind said:
According to Foley's first book- another way to draw blood is to hit a part of the forehead a certain way. He has a story about how a guy wasn't doing it right, but kept trying. Ouch.
I recall a special I saw on wrestling once where they showed how they have massage people and chiropacters back stage- the wrestlers usually go right to them after a match.
A lot of wrestlers have suffered serious injuries in the course of wrestling, just over the last few of years:
Austin broke his neck.
Triple H ripped a muscle off of his leg (and still finished a match).
Eddie Guerero(spelling is off) dislocated his elbow his first night on WWF
Droz broke his neck and is quadropalegic.
The worst was the death of Owen Hart, but his death was from an f'n stupid stunt- not a wrestling match.
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Eternalknight
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So, for instance, the Hogan thing a few weeks ago with Brock Lesner was completely fake? If that is the case, how come he didn't come out to Australia as part of the global warning tour? Money? Something else?
Furn_Darkside
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Eternalknight said:
I am not sure which "he" you are referring to- but overseas travel, from what I have read, is tough on wrestlers. It is hard enough to be away from your families more then half of every week, but such travel precludes seeing their families for some time.
Unless things have changed since Foley's time, the wrestlers pay for all their travel and boarding. I am sure they get paid more on a big trip like that, but it would be after the case- so they would have to shill out for an expensive (and long) flight down there.
Foley has a lot of stories of sharing motel rooms and rental cars with other wrestlers. The best being what him and Austin did to DDP when they were all in WCW.
I would really suggest reading Mick Foley's book if you are wanting to get an inside view of the industry.
Have A Nice Day!
Plus, you get to read about the frightening barbwired matchs, C4 matchs, and flaming chair matchs that don't happen in WWE.
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All injuries that announcers play up (My God! How much more can one man take?!) and that don't cause paramedics (who don't get beaten up and are normal sized) to come running to the ring RIGHT AWAY are fake and part of the storyline. Hogan's no-show in Oz is the subject of a lot of speculation, as he has a not-so-stellar repuation amongst "smart marks" for being generally selfish, terrible in-ring, and poison in the locker room (no Nash, but who is?). The official wwe reason was long-term injuries to Hogan's back made the plane ride impossible for him. I'm not really buying that, but I'm a cynic when it comes to Hogan, Nash, etc. Brock v. Hogan was an effort to make Brock into a believable/creidible heel so he could beat Rock at Summerslam (woot, my picks came through for me in the pool!). Alas, Rock is becoming a transition champ. Who will be the next face to compete for the belts? I was thinking Triple H, but his loss buries him for a bit. People are saying Goldberg might be signing with the wwe in the future, but that's not a sure thing and I'm sure the writers have something already planned.
Note: There are a few exceptions to the injury rule above. JR was (rightly) going nuts during Mankind vs. Taker in their first Hell in a Cell match and I can assure you, those were some serious injuries. But, more often than not, they'll fake an injury to cover for a real unjury and give the guy some time to recover. For example, Benoit was on the shelf for a long time with a legit neck injury, but it was a lingering effect and not the result of his match with Jericho, as wwe would have you belive.
Note: There are a few exceptions to the injury rule above. JR was (rightly) going nuts during Mankind vs. Taker in their first Hell in a Cell match and I can assure you, those were some serious injuries. But, more often than not, they'll fake an injury to cover for a real unjury and give the guy some time to recover. For example, Benoit was on the shelf for a long time with a legit neck injury, but it was a lingering effect and not the result of his match with Jericho, as wwe would have you belive.
Furn_Darkside
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Westwind said:
That is the only reason it seems hogan is there- to push other wrestlers; either by teaming with them or making them look good in a match.
I use to think the same thing about Hogan that you mentioned, but considering the defeats he has been willing to make- I am keeping an open mind on who he is today.
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