[OT]Wrestling... how much is fake?

[Grazzt]

Hogan didnt make the Austrailian tour because he is in a money dispute with McMahon. Apparently he wants more and McMahon doesnt think he deserves it. Jim Ross cited Hogan's health (saying something like his back or whatever was sore and he couldnt fly) as the reason he didnt make it.

Check the various wrestling sites around the net (not the "mark" sites) like Pro Wrestling Between the Sheets (www.pwbts.com) or The Torch (www.pwtorch.com)

 

[RyanL]

Referring specifically to last night's match, everything you saw on TV was fake. Shawn Michaels really does have a broken back, however.

-Ryan

 

[Grazzt]

A lot of wrestlers have suffered serious injuries in the course of wrestling, just over the last few of years:

Austin broke his neck.
Triple H ripped a muscle off of his leg (and still finished a match).
Eddie Guerero(spelling is off) dislocated his elbow his first night on WWF
Droz broke his neck and is quadropalegic.
The worst was the death of Owen Hart, but his death was from an f'n stupid stunt- not a wrestling match.

FD

Hyabusa (Japanese wrestler in FMW) was paralyzed Oct 22, 2001 when he slipped from the top ropes doing a 450 phoenix splash. He landed on top of his head and broke his neck.

Check Foley's book. He got injured as well. Part of his ear was ripped off in a match when he got his head tangled in the ropes.

New Jack and Vic Grimes (when they were both in ECW [my fave promotion when it was around]) both suffered injuries when they leapt from the balcony 25 feet into three tables. New Jack severed the nerves in his left eye.

Vic Grimes (again) suffered serious injuries when he took a stiff bump in XPW. He was thrown off a scaffold 35 feet into the ring through three tables stacked on top of each other.

Yakushi (I think) was injured in an FMW death match when his opponent set the entire ring on fire and then powerbombed him into it. He suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns on his back. The ref in the match was likewise injured as he was near the fire and it "splattered" on him when Yakushi was powerbombed.

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Referring specifically to last night's match, everything you saw on TV was fake. Shawn Michaels really does have a broken back, however.

-Ryan

From what I understand, Michaels just wanted one more chance in the ring so his son could see him at a show.

FD

 

[Grazzt]

According to Foley's first book- another way to draw blood is to hit a part of the forehead a certain way. He has a story about how a guy wasn't doing it right, but kept trying. Ouch.

FD

Ya ever see the ECW match where New Jack wrestled a newcomer calling himself Mass Transit? Transit was supposedly an 18-19 year old kid who wrestled indepently. Axl Rotten was injured and so ECW let Transit sub in his place and wrestle New Jack.

During the match Transit asked New Jack to blade him because he had never done it. New Jack obliged but hit an artery and Transit was bleeding profusely when it was done. If you check out the video footage of the incident you can see the blood spurting from his head every time his heart beats.

Now- the screwed up part.....Transit had a fake ID, no wrestling knowledge really, and was only 17 years old. He lied to the ECW guys so he could wrestle. When he got hurt he turned around and tried to sue them. He lost in court when the footage was shown to the jury.

 

[Wolfen Priest]

While matches are not usually scripted move by move they definitely know how things are going to end before they start.

Oh, so you're saying they just go out there and "wing it?" No way, every match is scripted right down to the facial expressions, if you ask me.

 

[Grazzt]

From what I understand, Michaels just wanted one more chance in the ring so his son could see him at a show.

FD

Yeppers- I heard something like that. Michaels back is injured but it isnt broken. I believe his career is more or less over.

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Oh, so you're saying they just go out there and "wing it?" No way, every match is scripted right down to the facial expressions, if you ask me.

Go read some biographies- they plan some major moments/moves, but most of it is momentum and pacing that decides the wrestlers actions.

Back in the day- you could tell when one guy did not want to job for another, and a real fight broke out. But that has not happened in a very long time.

FD

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Ya ever see the ECW match where New Jack wrestled a newcomer calling himself Mass Transit?

Real violence turns my stomach- and ECW was too much for me.

WWE is the perfect level of cartoony-violence for me- though when they hit women, the channel gets turned.

FD

 

[jmucchiello]

Warning: SPOILERS for SUMMERSLAM (sorta)

Hogan didn't go to Australia because he and Vince disagreed over whether or not it was a special event. Vince said it was just another house show; Hogan said you don't fly 16 hours to a house show. Hogan also has very bad knees. A 16 hour flight would have had him laid up for a day or two after each flight. It is hard to call Hogan just another jobber when you consider how over he is with the fans. He's got some time off now because Vince is annoyed with him (and because it really helped build Brock Lesner). He'll be back.

Fake: All wrestling matches have a planned ending: who wins and usually how it happens. Sometimes the wrestlers just wing it, waiting until the referee tells them it's time to finish the match. Some wrestlers prefer to script the match down to each chop to the chest. Others only like to work out complicated stuff. Angle ducking Mysterio's first 619 at Summerslam was probably just as planned as the one he took to the face later in the match.