[OT]Wrestling... how much is fake?
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Andrew D. Gable
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Re: Re: Warning: SPOILERS for SUMMERSLAM (sorta)
I'm with you on that one. I don't know much about wrestling, but Mysterio impresses me. He's got real skill, that one, I think.
Furn_Darkside said:
I'm with you on that one. I don't know much about wrestling, but Mysterio impresses me. He's got real skill, that one, I think.
Vyvyan Basterd
Adventurer
Phowett said:
I hope you don't mean "Compared to the good old days when it was real!"
It has always been a scripted exhibition of skills. Calling it fake is like storming out of a Schwartenegger film crying "fake."
Drew
Explorer
What a minute! Wrestling is FAKE? What the hell! I can't believe that...oh...I get it! You guys are just kidding. Whew! Next thing you're going to tell me is that there's no such thing as Santa Claus.
By the way, has everyone heard of Kayfabe, the inside wreslting Roleplaying Game? Its all about running a wrestling federation from the "behind the scenes" perspective. The match outcomes don't really matter, but backstage politics, injury, heat, etc all comes into play. Pretty cool game. Check it out at http://www.angelfire.com/games3/errantknight/kayfabe/
By the way, has everyone heard of Kayfabe, the inside wreslting Roleplaying Game? Its all about running a wrestling federation from the "behind the scenes" perspective. The match outcomes don't really matter, but backstage politics, injury, heat, etc all comes into play. Pretty cool game. Check it out at http://www.angelfire.com/games3/errantknight/kayfabe/
Furn_Darkside
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There is a d20 wrestling rpg coming out:
http://www.enworld.org/d20reviews.asp?sub=yes&where=publist&which=Fantages+Studios
I am looking forward to seeing what they come up with.
FD
http://www.enworld.org/d20reviews.asp?sub=yes&where=publist&which=Fantages+Studios
I am looking forward to seeing what they come up with.
FD
Chimera
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The WWF (Get the E out) shied away from women/men matches until Joanie Lauer aka Chyna started asking to be put in matches with men. Her whole gig was that she was a Woman who could handle herself in the ring against the Men. I would have a severe problem with anyone griping about "Violence against Women" when the Woman is fighting for the right to be considered the equal of the Men in a Violent form of entertainment.
For better or worse, the women in WWE are either requesting, or being asked to work more mixed matches. They do tend to do a good job of keeping the smaller women from being attacked by these great big men. Except when the story lines call for it, in which case the entire point is to gain Heat (Read: Boos) for the Heel (Read: Villain, or Bad Guy).
In those cases, Yes, I am somewhat bothered by the unnecessary violence towards tiny women. Even in a Wrestling program. But it's part of the business and always has been.
As a 40-year old man with a bad back and bad knees, I can say that I would not consider a 16 hour flight to Australia, then another one back, within a week where you still have to do American shows and TV tapings, to be a freaking House Show! Hogan has done pretty much everything asked of him, including jobbing to Lesner when Austin refused. This is a little much to be asking, IMHO. (And this from a guy who got into watching wrestling because of Hogan (early 80's), but grew to despise him.)
For better or worse, the women in WWE are either requesting, or being asked to work more mixed matches. They do tend to do a good job of keeping the smaller women from being attacked by these great big men. Except when the story lines call for it, in which case the entire point is to gain Heat (Read: Boos) for the Heel (Read: Villain, or Bad Guy).
In those cases, Yes, I am somewhat bothered by the unnecessary violence towards tiny women. Even in a Wrestling program. But it's part of the business and always has been.
As a 40-year old man with a bad back and bad knees, I can say that I would not consider a 16 hour flight to Australia, then another one back, within a week where you still have to do American shows and TV tapings, to be a freaking House Show! Hogan has done pretty much everything asked of him, including jobbing to Lesner when Austin refused. This is a little much to be asking, IMHO. (And this from a guy who got into watching wrestling because of Hogan (early 80's), but grew to despise him.)
Black Omega
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It's possible it was real wrestling back in the 1800's. Because deception is so ingrained into pro wrestling it's very hard to tell. By Lou Thasz's own admission wrestling was mostly fake by the time he was watching it in the 1920's, with the rare exception of real matches to settle a grudge. The real matches weren't always advertised, since they were pretty boring.Vyvyan Basterd said:
In the Good Old Days wrestling was less soap opera and spent more time trying to maintain the aura of it being a real competition.
Furn_Darkside
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Black Omega said:
You know- for a while I use to really pine to see a real competition between fighters and fighting styles.
Then I saw toughman contests and the UFC- and I realized how boring real fighting is to watch.
I drift to and from professional wrestling. I really like watching some people: HHH, Benoit, and Malinko. It is the watching the many other wrestlers that drives me away.
FD
Glyfair
Explorer
Phowett said:
That depends on what you mean by actually hurting the other person. Actually, much of what you see in wrestling does hurt the other person. Just not to the extent they want you to think.
To take an extreme example, look at the chair shots you see. You know how they do that? They hit the other person with the chair. Yes, there are ways to hit someone so that it isn't horrible (hitting across the back, for example). However, don't think getting hit with the chair doesn't hurt.
Glyfair of Glamis
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