[OT]Wrestling... how much is fake?

[Zub]

Oh, so you're saying they just go out there and "wing it?" No way, every match is scripted right down to the facial expressions, if you ask me.

You'd be wrong. Some matches last for over 20 minutes. Wrestlers will discuss the general flow of the match before hand, and perhaps even discuss specific moves, but much of the match is just a give and take between the wrestlers. They talk to each other the whole match, setting up moves.

WWE Confidential has had a good story where they interviewed RVD and Eddie Guerrero. They talked about how they planned the match before hand and some of the things they would do.

In general, I've been pleased with the openness WWE has now. They freely admit that wrestling is just entertainment and that shows and storylines are fixed. I'm actually more interested in the behind-the-scens stuff anyways. I like to see the wrestlers out of character. They are very interesting people.

 

[Zub]

Commercial wrestling is pretty much fake. The stunts are real, but they never actually (purposely) hurt the other person in the ring. In fact, most of the time they don't even touch the other person if you look really hard.

Commercial wrestling is like a soap opera nowadays.

No, some of the wrestlers hit very hard. On Toug Enough 2, a british wrestle visited the kids who were training. I forget his name, but one thing he said was "I hit very hard but in safe places". He then gave a kid a massive chop to the chest. He said, if you can't take that, they your in the wrong business.

I think what happens is you can sell the other wrestler's move, i.e. He hits you softly, but you can convinceingly make it look like you got crap kicked out of you, then he will continue that way, but if you can't sell the move, he'll Tag you for real. In Tough Enough 1, Triple H hit one of the kids relatively softly, and when the kids didn't react appropriately, he said, "If you did that in the ring, I'd tag you for real."

 

[Zub]

HEre's a question: Was the scew job planeed or not?

Was Brett HArt really screwed by Mcmahon or was it all planned?

I tend to think McMahon doublecrossed him.

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Re: HEre's a question: Was the scew job planeed or not?

Was Brett HArt really screwed by Mcmahon or was it all planned?

Well, he was screwed in the sense that he thought the match was supposed to end one way(a double dq), but HBK and McMahon over ruled that secretly and Brett lost the match.

Brett Hart was leaving the company that night- and he currently held the belt. McMahon did not want him leaving with the belt, and Hart did not want to lose it in Canada.

Hart offered to drop it the next night on Raw, but it is not like he had any contractual obligation to do so.

I can understand both sides, but he punched McMahon after the match- so, I guess he got even.

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[Black Omega]

No, some of the wrestlers hit very hard. On Toug Enough 2, a british wrestle visited the kids who were training. I forget his name, but one thing he said was "I hit very hard but in safe places". He then gave a kid a massive chop to the chest. He said, if you can't take that, they your in the wrong business.

I don't watch Tough Enough, but I'd feel pretty safe guessing that was Steve (William) Regal. He's notorious for things like that. He's a real tough guy.

I think what happens is you can sell the other wrestler's move, i.e. He hits you softly, but you can convinceingly make it look like you got crap kicked out of you, then he will continue that way, but if you can't sell the move, he'll Tag you for real. In Tough Enough 1, Triple H hit one of the kids relatively softly, and when the kids didn't react appropriately, he said, "If you did that in the ring, I'd tag you for real."

Back in the 80's when the Road Warriors were just starting this came up. They were massively muscled guys who got a big aura from no selling their opponants moves, sometimes way too much. In a match against Jerry Blackwell and Larry 'The Axe' Hennig they were doing that and ended up getting slapped around pretty good as a lesson. It's rare, but it does happen.

 

[Tharkun]

Why watch it if it's already prescripted? Sounds like a waste of airtime to me.

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Why watch it if it's already prescripted? Sounds like a waste of airtime to me.

Why watch most television shows? Most are prescripted.

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[Ranger REG]

Why watch it if it's already prescripted? Sounds like a waste of airtime to me.

Why? Entertainment. Pure entertainment. It's like watching stunt scenes after stunt scenes.

 

[Dahak]

Back in the 80's when the Road Warriors were just starting this came up. They were massively muscled guys who got a big aura from no selling their opponants moves, sometimes way too much. In a match against Jerry Blackwell and Larry 'The Axe' Hennig they were doing that and ended up getting slapped around pretty good as a lesson. It's rare, but it does happen.

Ah, the AWA... beautiful memories.

The Road Warriors have been in a few matches where miscommunication led to both parties ceasing to cooperate. Lex Luger is another one with a similar history.

More recently, Perry Saturn tossed around Mike Bell like a sack of manure after Bell flubbed a spot, at a WWF Jakked (now WWE Velocity) taping. Among Saturn's punishment was having to take some very stiff moves from Bradshaw and Ron Simmons during the WCW mole hunt angle.

 

[Tharkun]

Actually, I pretty much *don't* watch the TV...why? Because it's dull, except for some things, though the majority of TV shows are not so great. I've played many computer games that are more fun than several TV shows

Why watch most television shows? Most are prescripted.

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