Otto's Dance and FoM

[The Souljourner]

from the srd:

"The subject becomes paralyzed and freezes in place. It is aware and breathes normally but cannot take any actions, even speech. Each round on its turn, the subject may attempt a new saving throw to end the effect. (This is a full-round action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity.)

A winged creature who is paralyzed cannot flap its wings and falls. A swimmer can’t swim and may drown."

Now... I don't see anything about this not stopping people with the fly spell "can't take any actions" is pretty damn restrictive.

Hold Person is also compulsion, so does FoM work against that?

"Paralyzed" in the description could just be flavor text as opposed to refering to the condition. It's not clear.

FoM isn't clear... it only lists solid fog, slow, and web as things it protects against, none of which are compulsions (slow is transmutation for some odd reason... I guess it changes you into a slow person).

So... does FoM work against compulsions? I think that's the root question, and I think it's all or nothing.

-The Souljourner

 

[Thanee]

So... does FoM work against compulsions? I think that's the root question, and I think it's all or nothing.

Yeah, that's what I was aiming at...

I'd say no, actually. For my reasoning, see above.

Also, if you'd allow FoM to work against that, you open a huge can of worms, I think. What about geas? Can you just move and attack without breaking a geas? I'm sure there are even weirder examples than that! How about a called creature that has been trapped by a planar binding spell? Or a wall of force?

Bye
Thanee

P.S. Doesn't Hold Person still allow "purely mental actions"?

 

[Shallown]

Thanee it doesn't indicate if purely mental actions are affected. It seems a blanket statement you can "cannot take any actions". But then specifically states swimming and flying things indicating it affects specifically physical motion. Is that just re-emphasizing the affect , a reminder.

I always assumed Hold person was paralysis but that may be flavor text and not condition becuase the condition is helpless, Isn't it?

This would also mean remove paralysis doesn't affect it since that removes a condition not flavor text.

Seems sort of iffy.

later