D&D 5E Out of the Abyss + Basic Rules?
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tsadkiel
Explorer
They still show up for me.
Jester David
Hero
At this point, if it's not out by Mon/Tues, it's gone and joins the Conversion Guide and OGL as projects that were cool but have vanished into the void.
CapnZapp
Legend
No, why do you say that?
The fact Mmearls confessed they had forgotten to me means any time-line is not applicable in trying to guess the publication date.
Why? Because they're late! Being late pretty much is the definition of "missing our usual deadlines"...
It would be much constructive if you were to ask on Twitter how far along the basic guide is coming
(I'm not on Twitter myself)
The fact Mmearls confessed they had forgotten to me means any time-line is not applicable in trying to guess the publication date.
Why? Because they're late! Being late pretty much is the definition of "missing our usual deadlines"...
It would be much constructive if you were to ask on Twitter how far along the basic guide is coming
(I'm not on Twitter myself)
Jester David
Hero
WotC has a very short term memory.
Unless something is an immediate goal or is part of a future goal, it is forgotten. Once they blow a deadline and let something slide, chances are it's never going to be updated.
This is just a general observation of the company going back years. There were contests that just vanished, promised product Web Enhancements that never appeared, DDI companion articles, revisions of playtests, and more. Most recently there's the update for the 5e DM Basic rules bringing that content in line with the DMG, and the aforementioned conversion guides.
Nikosandros
Golden Procrastinator
I don't think so. My impression is that the idea that you could play any new adventure with just the basic rules (plus some ad-hoc web enhancement) was just quietly dropped.
CapnZapp
Legend
Well, I wouldn't say dropped as much as "never the plan in the first place".
Obviously WotC want a situation where you feel you need to pay for their products to play their content.
The cheapskate option was probably intended as a plan B if 5E didn't do well. Since it very early became clear it was a success, there's just no reason to continue supporting the "free tier" - WotC clearly understand they don't need those players (or, more likely, can wait until peer pressure forces them to open their wallets)
Obviously WotC want a situation where you feel you need to pay for their products to play their content.
The cheapskate option was probably intended as a plan B if 5E didn't do well. Since it very early became clear it was a success, there's just no reason to continue supporting the "free tier" - WotC clearly understand they don't need those players (or, more likely, can wait until peer pressure forces them to open their wallets)
dave2008
Legend
I am pretty sure a conversion guide was provided at one point, not sure about what else your asking for.
EDIT: Yep, here it is: 5e Conversion Guide
PS, this was made back in 2015.
PPS, the free basic rules where also updated in 2018 (last update): 5e Basic Rules
And of course the SRD was issued in 2016: D&D SRD 5.1
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Nikosandros
Golden Procrastinator
Originally, it was stated that each major release would be a possible entry point to D&D and it would be playable with just the Basic Rules. Obviously, they changed their mind quite early.
dave2008
Legend
Of course they did deliver both of those, but I don't think OotA ever got a supplement that I remember.
dave2008
Legend
OK, I personally never expected anything like that (nor do I remember that being a goal), but you can get pretty far with the basic rules and SRD.
Nikosandros
Golden Procrastinator
I agree with you, I was not surprised by the change in strategy and, as you say, there's quite a lot in the Basic + SRD free combo.
dave2008
Legend
I never expected them to support a free tier, but they did update the basic rules in 2018. So they have kept the support to some degree after the initial release.
The interesting question, IMO, is whether or not the basic rules will be updated in 2024 when the core rulebooks are updated.
dave2008
Legend
PS - It is generally poor form to necro your own thread!
I have to imagine no one at Wizards just ever received any emails or requests for monster statblocks that were in the adventure paths but not in the Basic Rules after a certain point. Because there was no one left that were buying the adventure paths without ever buying the Monster Manual. Putting a small guide together and releasing it would just end up being a waste of time.
CapnZapp
Legend
I'm pretty sure I specifically was not asking for conversion guides.
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