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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9726835" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Whereas for me, you're basically a flexible Paladin, with full spellcasting. Especially since I played using the packet 7 rules, so they hadn't added the ridiculous strength requirement to heavy weapons yet. A greatsword of light dealing 3d6+5 radiant damage per hit with 2x attacks, plus the best can trip in the game for range, meant that while I was slightly squishy, I was incredibly versatile. Had I dipped Fighter, it would have been even better, with Graze damage and medium armor.I disagree. That's ignoring the potency of high level spells.I...would disagree with this notion. There are definitely useful things. There is the "perfect infiltrator" package (Actor feat + One with Shadows + Master of Myriad Forms + Devil's Sight, maybe Mask of Many Faces for instant clothing changes), which is super useful utility if sneaking around or impersonation is helpful to you, but otherwise most of the other invocations are at best merely pretty decent.Actor doesn't use up anything but a Cha bump. Take Blade at 1st, Agonizing and Devil's Sight at 2nd, One with Shadows and Thirsting Blade at 5th. You are now and amazing scout, and can hold your own in any fight. Start with a 1st level Fighter dip if you're worried about survival (since that also gets you Con save proficiency, which is better than Eldritch Mind anyway). Medium armor + 14 Dex is a completely reliable baseline.If you start with 17 Cha/15 Dex via your background, you can get 18 Cha at level 4 via Actor, 16 Dex at level 8 via Medium Armor Master, 18+2=20 Cha at level 12, and finally GWM at level 16. Delay those by one level to start from Fighter 1, and you get all of that (one level later, of course) + Con save prof, Second Wind, Great Weapon Fighting style, and the Graze mastery. On the invocation side, as noted, Blade Pact (1), Agonizing Blast/Devil's Sight (2), One with Shadows/Thirsting Blade (5), Master of Many Forms (7), Lifedrinker (9), Devouring Blade (12). Then the last two invocations are free rein, either continue beefing up your offense or pick up some additional utility. If you don't care about the infiltration side, you can drop Master of Many Forms and thus go for some other utility, such as Tome or Chain, or picking up an extra Origin Feat if you really want one of them (Tough could be a good choice for some extra HP.)It is, I admit, a slightly slow burn--but it works, and you're still continuously getting good things all the way up through Warlock 16 for that final feat. Couple the above with specifically having a Celestial patron and getting Skilled as your Origin Feat (Charlatan is a great choice!), and you have a character that is a Renaissance adept: pretty good at healing, melee damage, ranged damage, and a few skills of preference, and objectively amazing at infiltration/scouting. Those free party-wide THP you get from Celestial Warlock 10 make a pretty big difference too--I can definitely say I noticed them when I played.</blockquote>

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