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<blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 5117542" data-attributes="member: 51942"><p>You're generically referring to a bunch of cases. I think it's important to look at the specifics, since they matter.</p><p></p><p>However, there is one general thing to keep in mind that often causes confusion specifically with regards to Divine Challenge: <em>each usage of a power must be interpreted fully independently of other usages.</em> Just as when you use two melee attacks, the effects of the one have no relation to the effects of the other - barring explicitly mentioned details.</p><p></p><p>So, for instance, when divine challenge says you must "engage or challenge a different target", then <em>for that instance</em> of DC, you indeed no longer need to engage when you DC again. However, the <em>new</em> DC has the same clause; and thus to satisfy the <em>new</em> DC you must again either engage (possible) or DC another target (generally impossible since normally only one DC use per round is allowed).</p><p></p><p>The only relation between two instances of DC is thus that (A) the first ends when you use the second, and (B) when you use the second, the penalizing clause of the first is negated. That's it - the second usage is notably unaffected.</p><p></p><p>Keep that in mind when looking at other exceptions; many are easily resolved if you cut away the vague notion of "the challenge" sort of meaning the power and all it's usages and replace it with the more accurate notion of each individual usage.</p><p></p><p>If you have a specific case you'd like to look at in more detail, feel free to post it here!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eamon, post: 5117542, member: 51942"] You're generically referring to a bunch of cases. I think it's important to look at the specifics, since they matter. However, there is one general thing to keep in mind that often causes confusion specifically with regards to Divine Challenge: [i]each usage of a power must be interpreted fully independently of other usages.[/i] Just as when you use two melee attacks, the effects of the one have no relation to the effects of the other - barring explicitly mentioned details. So, for instance, when divine challenge says you must "engage or challenge a different target", then [i]for that instance[/i] of DC, you indeed no longer need to engage when you DC again. However, the [i]new[/i] DC has the same clause; and thus to satisfy the [i]new[/i] DC you must again either engage (possible) or DC another target (generally impossible since normally only one DC use per round is allowed). The only relation between two instances of DC is thus that (A) the first ends when you use the second, and (B) when you use the second, the penalizing clause of the first is negated. That's it - the second usage is notably unaffected. Keep that in mind when looking at other exceptions; many are easily resolved if you cut away the vague notion of "the challenge" sort of meaning the power and all it's usages and replace it with the more accurate notion of each individual usage. If you have a specific case you'd like to look at in more detail, feel free to post it here! [/QUOTE]
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