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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7814088" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I earlier held up Steve Rogers as a familiar pop culture example of a Paladin. But you can make a legitimate complaint depending on your real world philosophy that Rogers is lawful stupid. I mean, the very first time we meet Rogers he's fighting a bully twice his size despite not having any chance of winning, and he refuses to give up and keeps saying stuff like, "You want more. I can keep this up all day."</p><p></p><p>And sometimes his 'lawful stupidity' (if you want to think of it that way) gets more serious. In 'Infinity War', Vision makes the statement that for the good of the universe he has to be killed, and Rogers vetoes this plan because it involves making a dishonorable choice. Rogers essentially says, "Saving the universe is less important than maintaining our moral integrity." This is exactly the criticism people are making of attempting to defend the helpless against the dragon rather than making a compromise with it.</p><p></p><p>Rogers idealism versus Tony's pragmatism is a huge element of what makes the drama of Avengers so good. If Rogers is a utilitarian pragmatist, he just isn't the same character and there isn't a lot of drama because what are we really fighting over? What makes Steve's presentation so good, is that even though he's clearly this lawful good Paragon, he's not lawful stupid, or at least to the extent that he is, it's not stupid in a simplistic stereotypical manner. </p><p></p><p>My personal feeling is that at some level paragons like Rogers are offensive, not just because of 'lawful stupid', but because by upholding a higher standard they imply the rest of us aren't meeting it. And contemplating that we might be falling short makes a lot of people offended.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7814088, member: 4937"] I earlier held up Steve Rogers as a familiar pop culture example of a Paladin. But you can make a legitimate complaint depending on your real world philosophy that Rogers is lawful stupid. I mean, the very first time we meet Rogers he's fighting a bully twice his size despite not having any chance of winning, and he refuses to give up and keeps saying stuff like, "You want more. I can keep this up all day." And sometimes his 'lawful stupidity' (if you want to think of it that way) gets more serious. In 'Infinity War', Vision makes the statement that for the good of the universe he has to be killed, and Rogers vetoes this plan because it involves making a dishonorable choice. Rogers essentially says, "Saving the universe is less important than maintaining our moral integrity." This is exactly the criticism people are making of attempting to defend the helpless against the dragon rather than making a compromise with it. Rogers idealism versus Tony's pragmatism is a huge element of what makes the drama of Avengers so good. If Rogers is a utilitarian pragmatist, he just isn't the same character and there isn't a lot of drama because what are we really fighting over? What makes Steve's presentation so good, is that even though he's clearly this lawful good Paragon, he's not lawful stupid, or at least to the extent that he is, it's not stupid in a simplistic stereotypical manner. My personal feeling is that at some level paragons like Rogers are offensive, not just because of 'lawful stupid', but because by upholding a higher standard they imply the rest of us aren't meeting it. And contemplating that we might be falling short makes a lot of people offended. [/QUOTE]
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