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Paladin just committed murder - what should happen next?
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<blockquote data-quote="Imaculata" data-source="post: 7814814" data-attributes="member: 6801286"><p>I'm not talking about stripping levels here. As I stated earlier, I am against punishing the player for choosing one option or the other. What the paladin did was not very noble, but in my opinion, not punishable to the point of considering his oath as a paladin broken.</p><p></p><p>The dragon's CR is really not relevant to this particular situation.</p><p>What this boils down to, is a couple of questions:</p><p></p><p><strong>-Should a DM throw his player into an unwinnable battle against such a tough opponent?</strong></p><p><strong>-Should the DM offer such a cruel ultimatum as a way to survive?</strong></p><p><strong>-Should the DM punish the player for choosing to live to fight another day? (but abandon the npc in the process)</strong></p><p></p><p>In regards to the first question, I don't think every fight needs to be fair. Provided the risk is properly foreshadowed. As I have often mentioned in other threads, foreshadowing is what it is all about. I run a sandbox campaign in which the players can wander into a high level area. If the players decide to fight a dragon, they should expect that their death is a possibility. I would make sure the players are well aware of the danger they are putting themselves into.</p><p></p><p>In regards to the second question, I think a DM should play the creature in a way that is in line with its character. Dragons are characters too, and a cruel evil dragon would totally present such an ultimatum to the players. I think that is good roleplaying.</p><p></p><p>And finally, should the DM punish the player? I don't think so, but I do believe the choice should have consequences. Paladins are often expected to be noble and courageous. Sacrificing the npc to the evil dragon is wrong in my book. I understand why the player made his choice, but I think other characters would not agree with his action.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Dragons by their very definition are tough, deadly opponents. I don't believe a DM should shield his players when he introduces such a powerful opponent into his campaign. Whether the dragon is a right opponent for players of that level is a different matter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaculata, post: 7814814, member: 6801286"] I'm not talking about stripping levels here. As I stated earlier, I am against punishing the player for choosing one option or the other. What the paladin did was not very noble, but in my opinion, not punishable to the point of considering his oath as a paladin broken. The dragon's CR is really not relevant to this particular situation. What this boils down to, is a couple of questions: [B]-Should a DM throw his player into an unwinnable battle against such a tough opponent? -Should the DM offer such a cruel ultimatum as a way to survive? -Should the DM punish the player for choosing to live to fight another day? (but abandon the npc in the process)[/B] In regards to the first question, I don't think every fight needs to be fair. Provided the risk is properly foreshadowed. As I have often mentioned in other threads, foreshadowing is what it is all about. I run a sandbox campaign in which the players can wander into a high level area. If the players decide to fight a dragon, they should expect that their death is a possibility. I would make sure the players are well aware of the danger they are putting themselves into. In regards to the second question, I think a DM should play the creature in a way that is in line with its character. Dragons are characters too, and a cruel evil dragon would totally present such an ultimatum to the players. I think that is good roleplaying. And finally, should the DM punish the player? I don't think so, but I do believe the choice should have consequences. Paladins are often expected to be noble and courageous. Sacrificing the npc to the evil dragon is wrong in my book. I understand why the player made his choice, but I think other characters would not agree with his action. Dragons by their very definition are tough, deadly opponents. I don't believe a DM should shield his players when he introduces such a powerful opponent into his campaign. Whether the dragon is a right opponent for players of that level is a different matter. [/QUOTE]
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