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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 7816422" data-attributes="member: 53980">I strongly disagree. You were the one who repeatedly insisted on being provided a definition to refute your claim (hence my pointing out that a dictionary is not a guide to moral philosophy). Note that the definition of robbery that you provided makes no claim of an agreement or deal taking place, but that's neither here nor there.It seems to me that based on your argument, that if a person is placed under the threat of mortal violence, and then they are heinously violated by some means (whether that be the forcible theft of their possessions or acts even more terrible and vulgar), that you consider them to having agreed to be violated as such. To me this a prime example of victim blaming and shaming. In fact, I believe that such thought processes are one of the root causes of victim blaming and shaming. "It's their fault because they didn't fight back." No. It isn't the victim's fault or the victim's shame. The fault and shame always fall squarely on the perpetrator, never the victim. The victim doesn't ask to be violated, nor do they grant their consent to such. Such deplorable acts of force are intended to render the victim's choice moot.Additionally, I would argue that the reason society considers an agreement made under duress to be invalid is because we recognize that an agreement requires consent, irrespective of whether that is part of the dictionary definition. Consent cannot be forced under duress. Similarly, minors are incapable of entering into a binding agreement without the consent of a legal guardian, because minors are recognized as not being capable of giving consent under many circumstances, rather than simply while under duress.What you are arguing is semantics. Does a person who is forced to do something under duress fit the letter definition of agreeing to it? Arguably so. Does it fit the spirit of an agreement? The intent of what it means to agree to something? Absolutely not!</blockquote>

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