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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7817978" data-attributes="member: 42582">[USER=22779]@Hussar[/USER].First, apologies for some quote tag errors upthread. I'm going to fix that up after I post this.In my experience it is very straightforward to play a RPG in which the moral framework for knights, samurai and the like broadly corresponds to LotR or an Arhturian tale rather than to Conan or The Punisher.This doesn't involve "mediaeval morality". It involves a morality of duty and an ethic of honour, rather than either a utilitarian morality or an ethic of self-aggrandisement. For FRPGers the most well-known illustration is LotR. In film the best two examples I know are Excalibur and Hero. For a presentation with a biting twist, see Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.RPGs are also written - the GM chose to frame the PC into this situation.And they have action resolution mechanics, which - if designed and applied in the right way - can produce all sorts of outcomes.There's nothing about the nature of RPGing, or even D&D as a RPG, that makes it true that the knight must die for nothing. As I've said above and in a post not far upthread, I've played and GMed RPGs with knights and paladins and had none of the issues you suggest must arise.</blockquote>