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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7818314" data-attributes="member: 6919838">See, here I dont know what you are arguing.The player and the paladin in question was not dealing with some other case under some other gm... they were dealing with that scene at that table with that gm.It seems like that player saw those events as conclusive, saw it as do or die.In 5e, in social encounters a bad result can turn it worse by the rules of the book as well as common sebsecrulings.So, if after an attempt at negotiation and a strong result you got to this offer, the idea that not accepting and trying again having a notable risk of going to &quot;both dead&quot; seems obvious. Is trying to solve a puzzle, failing and making the best of the bad results. Evil in your book?Why doesnt the quest at risk, saving the world or taking the loss, coming back to set it right not factor in here at all?Is good that myopic?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7818314, member: 6919838"] See, here I dont know what you are arguing. The player and the paladin in question was not dealing with some other case under some other gm... they were dealing with that scene at that table with that gm. It seems like that player saw those events as conclusive, saw it as do or die. In 5e, in social encounters a bad result [B]can[/B] turn it worse by the rules of the book as well as common sebsecrulings. So, if after an attempt at negotiation and a strong result you got to this offer, the idea that not accepting and trying again having a notable risk of going to "both dead" seems obvious. Is trying to solve a puzzle, failing and making the best of the bad results. Evil in your book? Why doesnt the quest at risk, saving the world or taking the loss, coming back to set it right not factor in here at all? Is good that myopic? [/QUOTE]

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