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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7818573" data-attributes="member: 22779">First?&nbsp; Really?&nbsp; How about last.&nbsp; There is no push or shove here.&nbsp; There's just pointlessly die accomplishing nothing.&nbsp; See, that's the part that I can't figure out.&nbsp; Why would an oath of any kind of paladin force the paladin to pointlessly throw away his or her life (avoiding the &quot;suicide&quot; word because, apparently, that's just going to cause more pedantic nonsense)?&nbsp; How would that not result in paladins going extinct in a very big hurry?&nbsp; All a bad guy has to do is take a couple of hostages and then demand that every paladin around step up to the chopping block.&nbsp; After all, death before dishonor right?&nbsp; If you resist, I'll kill the hostage.&nbsp; So, step on up, put your head down on the block and let this big strapping lad chop off your head.&nbsp; It's what your Oath demands.&nbsp; Yeah, paladins are actually that stupid.No war has EVER been won with the notion of throwing your life away for no result.&nbsp; In fact, the most egregious, horrific actions in wars have been the result of blinding stupidity forcing men into situations where they get themselves killed for no result.&nbsp; Charge of the Light Brigade, Hamburger Hill, kamikaze pilots (so hopped up on meth that they wouldn't recognize their own grandmothers, the vast majority of which splatted into the ocean without effect), Blackhawk Down, on and on and on.No, wars are never won through blind stupidity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7818573, member: 22779"] First? Really? How about last. There is no push or shove here. There's just pointlessly die accomplishing nothing. See, that's the part that I can't figure out. Why would an oath of any kind of paladin force the paladin to pointlessly throw away his or her life (avoiding the "suicide" word because, apparently, that's just going to cause more pedantic nonsense)? How would that not result in paladins going extinct in a very big hurry? All a bad guy has to do is take a couple of hostages and then demand that every paladin around step up to the chopping block. After all, death before dishonor right? If you resist, I'll kill the hostage. So, step on up, put your head down on the block and let this big strapping lad chop off your head. It's what your Oath demands. Yeah, paladins are actually that stupid. No war has EVER been won with the notion of throwing your life away for no result. In fact, the most egregious, horrific actions in wars have been the result of blinding stupidity forcing men into situations where they get themselves killed for no result. Charge of the Light Brigade, Hamburger Hill, kamikaze pilots (so hopped up on meth that they wouldn't recognize their own grandmothers, the vast majority of which splatted into the ocean without effect), Blackhawk Down, on and on and on. No, wars are never won through blind stupidity. [/QUOTE]

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