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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 7819596" data-attributes="member: 463">Does not fit my experience - when my Pally stood up to an overwhelming force the rest of my party happily backed me up. Of course by neither attacking the bandits, nor backing down, I was attempting to save both my level 1 party (from being killed by the bandits) and the peasants (from having all their rice taken, leading to starvation). And it worked.In rules terms, Paladins with their high CHA and likely Pesuasion prof are very well suited to this kind of activity; which fits well with how Paladin-esque characters like the Lone Ranger & Captain America are typically presented in fiction.I don't think I've ever seen a situation where a PC group turned on the Paladin for unnecessarily endangering them. If anything, they tend to look to a charismatic Paladin for a moral lead, though of course this depends on how the player plays them.But it doesn't take Paladins to stand up to overwhelming force and be prepared to die rather than surrender. This is pretty much standard PC behaviour IME. Which is why GMs are advised never to run through 'railroad capture' scenarios - even quite ordinary PCs often prefer death to dishonour. Indeed playing Midnight I recall it was my quite Paladinesque* LG Fighter Zana Than who had to get the group to surrender to the Shadow forces, in an attempt to avoid a TPK. Sadly I escaped but the PC I was specifically trying to save from the Shadow Legate died when the other PCs botched a rescue attempt.*I think the difference between her and a true Paladin was that she was ultimately a Benthamite Utilitarian, since Midnight is a world ruled by Evil where there is explicitly no Divine Providence. So she would do stuff like execute a captured brigand, where leaving him alive would likely have resulted in the enemy camp being alerted. She felt really bad about that though! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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