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<blockquote data-quote="Wraith-Hunter" data-source="post: 3323276" data-attributes="member: 48298"><p>As others have said, it is the person who has a problem. I would find out what the other players think about having him play. If everyone else is having a problem with him I would listen to them. If they haven't spoken up about his antics they may just be trying to be nice and not make waves. But I bet dimes to dollars they are tired of him playing. It might be best for the group to not have him play. You can still hang out if you want to but he may be putting a damper on most of the other players.</p><p></p><p>I doubt you can reason with him. His thought processes will be different than yours. He may even see playing a paladin as a way to witness to the players. If that is the case what he is doing would in his mind be gods will. Maybe I'm wrong but I have quite a bit of experience with people like him. Though never playing D&D just real life stuff. They would be the typical D&D is satanic people. Just as hard to reason with him as the guy who thinks/acts like his vampire character (known some of those). Dosn't matter what the particular delusion is, relating to people in this state is difficult to say the least.</p><p></p><p>In regards to the Paladin class. Last group I was a player in (2e time frame) The DM, a Christian, loved the paladin class. It was common (at least the 2 Paladins I saw played) got some magic armor and sword at first level others didn't have such equipment. It was supposed to be 'secret' but wasnt. Anyway he also happened to enforce the Lawfull Stupid/err I mean Good alignment. If you didn't play Lawful Stupid you lost your abilities. His view of LG was such that to this day the phrase 'Lawful Good' makes me throw up in my mouth alittle bit. It was very fustrating playing when there was a Paladin in the group. To every one but the DM. He was normally a very good DM but with this one class and alignment it was a real pain. After awhile everybody refused to play a paladin 1. because they did not want to get railroaded and his version of LG was really LS 2. The rest of the party was sick of playing a back seat to the paladin. So if we invited new players we would all tell them NOT to play a paladin just trust us. (It was funny when one of the other players and myself when hanging out got to talking about it and admited to telling people we invited to the group not to play one, we both did this seperately).</p><p></p><p>It brought the fun level down to the point where the rest of the party was just about ready to kill the paladin ourselves. (Hense my suggestion about asking the player to leave, that kind of thing makes you wish you went to the movies instead) At times you almost didn't want to bother playing. Again this problem is totally a player/DM problem not a rules problem. Though I am of the mind that the Paladin should be a PrC. </p><p></p><p>The people who played them were not religious, or anti-religious just average people. But the DM's religion was THE factor that made the class painful at the game table. It was wierd because clerics were fine and we was a good DM in all the other aspects it was just that one class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wraith-Hunter, post: 3323276, member: 48298"] As others have said, it is the person who has a problem. I would find out what the other players think about having him play. If everyone else is having a problem with him I would listen to them. If they haven't spoken up about his antics they may just be trying to be nice and not make waves. But I bet dimes to dollars they are tired of him playing. It might be best for the group to not have him play. You can still hang out if you want to but he may be putting a damper on most of the other players. I doubt you can reason with him. His thought processes will be different than yours. He may even see playing a paladin as a way to witness to the players. If that is the case what he is doing would in his mind be gods will. Maybe I'm wrong but I have quite a bit of experience with people like him. Though never playing D&D just real life stuff. They would be the typical D&D is satanic people. Just as hard to reason with him as the guy who thinks/acts like his vampire character (known some of those). Dosn't matter what the particular delusion is, relating to people in this state is difficult to say the least. In regards to the Paladin class. Last group I was a player in (2e time frame) The DM, a Christian, loved the paladin class. It was common (at least the 2 Paladins I saw played) got some magic armor and sword at first level others didn't have such equipment. It was supposed to be 'secret' but wasnt. Anyway he also happened to enforce the Lawfull Stupid/err I mean Good alignment. If you didn't play Lawful Stupid you lost your abilities. His view of LG was such that to this day the phrase 'Lawful Good' makes me throw up in my mouth alittle bit. It was very fustrating playing when there was a Paladin in the group. To every one but the DM. He was normally a very good DM but with this one class and alignment it was a real pain. After awhile everybody refused to play a paladin 1. because they did not want to get railroaded and his version of LG was really LS 2. The rest of the party was sick of playing a back seat to the paladin. So if we invited new players we would all tell them NOT to play a paladin just trust us. (It was funny when one of the other players and myself when hanging out got to talking about it and admited to telling people we invited to the group not to play one, we both did this seperately). It brought the fun level down to the point where the rest of the party was just about ready to kill the paladin ourselves. (Hense my suggestion about asking the player to leave, that kind of thing makes you wish you went to the movies instead) At times you almost didn't want to bother playing. Again this problem is totally a player/DM problem not a rules problem. Though I am of the mind that the Paladin should be a PrC. The people who played them were not religious, or anti-religious just average people. But the DM's religion was THE factor that made the class painful at the game table. It was wierd because clerics were fine and we was a good DM in all the other aspects it was just that one class. [/QUOTE]
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