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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belbarid" data-source="post: 2493877" data-attributes="member: 28213">"Evil Subtype: A subtype usually applied only to outsiders native to the evil-aligned Outer Planes. Evil outsiders are also called fiends. Most creatures that have this subtype also have evil alignments; however, if their alignments change, they still retain the subtype. Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature has an evil alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment. "Obviously, from this, Detect Evil, being an Effect, will detect an evil outsider regardless of actual alignment.  To me, if actual alignment is irrelevant, than it's presence or absence is equally irrelevant.  That's a personal opinion though.To put it more rationally, if an effect will affect an evil outsider as if the outsider has an evil alignment, then, IMHO, the effect in question is "looking" at the alignment *and* the subtype.  Laying this example out a little more logically (I'm a programmer- it happens...) Subtype=Shapeshifter Alignment=CG: Does not detect as Evil   Subtype=Shapeshifter Alignment=CE: Detects as Evil   Subtype=Evil Outsider Alignment=LG: Detects as Evil  Subtype=Shapeshifter Alignment=CE: Detects as EvilSince we appear to be looking at a Boolean OR statement (Subtype=Evil or Alignment=Evil), then if the first parameter is true (Subtype=Evil), the state of the second parameter is irrelevant, including whether or not the value of the second parameter can be determined.  The second parameter (Alignment=Evil) is only necessary when the first is False- which is the majority of the time.  The converse(?) is true as well.  Subtype is irrelevant if the alignment is Evil, but becomes necessary if the alignment is nonevil.Would Mindshielding supress the creatures type?  I tend to think not, as that is not a part of the creature's aura, although I could be worng on that part.</blockquote>

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