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<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 6268527" data-attributes="member: 13107">Hi,Wasn't meaning to provoke there.The answer seems to be to make the rules much much more specific.&nbsp; That is, saying &quot;A Paladin may not willfully perform an evil act&quot;, leaves undecided what &quot;willful&quot; and &quot;evil&quot; means.Modified, a Paladin's code changes from: &quot;A Paladin may never willfully harm an innocent.&quot; To &quot;A Paladin may never harm an innocent.&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Willfully&quot; is removed.Of course, even with very specific rules, there are ways to mess with people: Have I touched someone if:I push a cart off it its supports, it rolls down the street, and bumps into them.I'm pushing a cart down the street, and it bumps into them.I throw them one end of a rope that I am holding, and pull them up a slope.I reach out with a 10' pole and poke them.I reach out with a short 1' wand and poke them.I back up and bump them with my backpack.I reach out with a gloved hand and shake hands with them.I reach out with an ungloved hand and shake hands with them.They drop their artificial hand; I pick it up, and hand it back to them.Someone cuts off one of their hands.&nbsp; I pick it up, hand it to the party Cleric, who places it back and casts a high level spell to cause it to reattach.Eventually, intent and interpretation (states of mind) become important.Thx!TomB</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 6268527, member: 13107"] Hi, Wasn't meaning to provoke there. The answer seems to be to make the rules much much more specific. That is, saying "A Paladin may not willfully perform an evil act", leaves undecided what "willful" and "evil" means. Modified, a Paladin's code changes from: "A Paladin may never willfully harm an innocent." To "A Paladin may never harm an innocent." "Willfully" is removed. Of course, even with very specific rules, there are ways to mess with people: Have I touched someone if: I push a cart off it its supports, it rolls down the street, and bumps into them. I'm pushing a cart down the street, and it bumps into them. I throw them one end of a rope that I am holding, and pull them up a slope. I reach out with a 10' pole and poke them. I reach out with a short 1' wand and poke them. I back up and bump them with my backpack. I reach out with a gloved hand and shake hands with them. I reach out with an ungloved hand and shake hands with them. They drop their artificial hand; I pick it up, and hand it back to them. Someone cuts off one of their hands. I pick it up, hand it to the party Cleric, who places it back and casts a high level spell to cause it to reattach. Eventually, intent and interpretation (states of mind) become important. Thx! TomB [/QUOTE]

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