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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9380892" data-attributes="member: 18">Good point well made. I had forget about Tel, and you should never do that.That does sound like an appropriate objective and god they are SO cursed.I have read one fantasy book series that is as cursed, and that's the Prince of Nothing series by someone Bakker (I refuse to look up his first name), which I honestly thought was going somewhere until literally the first book in the second trilogy (<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😬" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f62c.png" title="Grimacing face    :grimacing:" data-shortname=":grimacing:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />). I thought he had a point to make, and that it wasn't some weird creepy cryptofascist, uber-mensch-y, pro what I can only describe as "fundamentalist mindfulness" (?!?!), oddly rape-centric deal, I though the idea was maybe these people, especially the initial POV character, were all awful and they'll all get what's coming to them, but when I realized a literal ultra-violent barbarian who was also a serial rapist was by far the most sympathetic and human character in the series, I should have pulled the ripcord! Instead, somehow, I bought the first book in the second trilogy, which managed to combine being a very direct rip-off of the Fellowship of the Ring with stuff like, err < checks notes > drunken wizard incest (between adults but jesus wept) and that finally got me to go "Ok, alright, we're done" (even though the cryptofascism seemed to have been turned down a bit).I feel like that "sort of thing" has largely fallen by the wayside since the early-mid '00s, thank god. There's unnecessarily and laughably edgelord-y fantasy (c.f. Skullsworn by Bryan Staveley) but not to the same degree of "ugh".</blockquote>

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