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<blockquote data-quote="webrunner" data-source="post: 4742126" data-attributes="member: 63727">The PHB says you can use arcana to find magic items.. it does not say that it is the expected way to find magic items, just that it helps locate ones they can't see.DMG 125 says that over the course of a level a party of five should find 4 magic items.&nbsp; If they don't, that means that you've made them too hard to find.If they encounter a magic item that they can see, they will probably know it's magic.&nbsp; If you notice, the magic items displayed in most of the pictures glow very obviously.&nbsp; The lack of a rule for &quot;determine if an item is magical&quot; is pretty telling in itself.Putting it this way: A party with nobody trained in arcana gets 4 magic items just like any other party.&nbsp; If you know a party has good arcana rolls then putting them in such a way that you need to arcana to find them is good because it rewards them for having arcana.. but if they don't you shouldnt punish them for that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="webrunner, post: 4742126, member: 63727"] The PHB says you can use arcana to find magic items.. it does not say that it is the [B]expected[/B] way to find magic items, just that it helps locate ones they can't see. DMG 125 says that over the course of a level a party of five should find 4 magic items. If they [B]don't[/B], that means that you've made them too hard to find. If they encounter a magic item that they can see, they will probably know it's magic. If you notice, the magic items displayed in most of the pictures glow very obviously. The lack of a rule for "determine if an item is magical" is pretty telling in itself. Putting it this way: A party with nobody trained in arcana gets 4 magic items just like any other party. If you know a party has good arcana rolls then putting them in such a way that you need to arcana to find them is good because it rewards them for having arcana.. but if they don't you shouldnt punish them for that. [/QUOTE]

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